Transcript [00:00] The question is if you could live [00:02] anywhere, [00:02] >> right, [00:03] >> from [00:04] North Africa all the way to uh we left [00:07] out Usbekistsan, you could live there. [00:10] Uh Kazakhstan, um Saudi Arabia, Riad. [00:14] Oh, [00:14] >> none none of the above. [00:16] >> And or Tel Aviv? [00:18] >> None of them. Literally none of them. [00:19] >> But if you had to choose one, [00:22] >> you would you would So to you [00:24] >> to you Karach Pakistan and Tel Aviv, [00:26] same thing. I would figure something [00:29] out, but I [00:30] >> That's powerful. Not as smart as I know [00:32] you are. That's That's Come on. [00:35] >> You're gonna get killed. You're gonna [00:36] get killed for that for good reason. [00:38] >> All right. So, I was watching this this [00:39] conversation that you got to see between [00:41] Bill Maher and Anna Kasparian about [00:44] Israel. This is two celebrities talking [00:46] about Israel. But through the [00:48] conversation, it made me realize that [00:52] she kept making the same mistake. [00:54] meaning all in all the different points, [00:56] it all really boiled down to one [00:59] mistake, one difference between how she [01:02] thinks and how Bill thinks. So, let's [01:04] watch this video and when we come back, [01:06] I'll tell you what that one mistake is. [01:09] >> If you're listening to a podcast, [01:11] >> the truth never makes me uncomfortable. [01:12] It only exhilarates me. [01:14] >> I mean, [01:14] >> no matter where it's, you know, on [01:16] whatever side it is. [01:18] >> Yeah. And you want to talk about a [01:19] little bit of you want get exhilarated, [01:21] right? [laughter] [01:23] >> I've been exhilarated. No, you're going [01:24] to say genocide and I'm going to say, [01:26] "Well, you don't know what the word [01:27] means." And it's like, you don't even [01:29] know what the words mean. [01:31] >> I'm Armenian. I know what the word [01:32] means, [01:33] >> right? [01:33] >> Yeah. [01:34] >> Okay. It's when you try to wipe out an [01:35] entire population of people, which they [01:38] didn't come close to doing. [01:39] >> I mean, [01:40] >> they prosecuted a war in which they were [01:42] attacked, which everybody gets to do, [01:44] >> which, by the way, let me just say, you [01:45] know, if they were doing if they were [01:48] literally going after Hamas, [01:50] >> that is legitimate. That's totally [01:52] legitimate. But that's not what's [01:53] happening. [01:54] >> Hamas hides in tunnels underneath [01:56] hospitals. You can't go. Hold on. Hold [01:58] on. Hold on. Hamas is the bad guy. If [02:00] you don't get that, you don't get much. [02:02] >> What Hamas did on October 7th was [02:05] disgusting killing. [applause] I I mean, [02:08] I don't make I don't I don't at all hold [02:10] back on that. In fact, [02:12] >> well, that's the easiest thing in the [02:13] world to say. Nobody disagree. There are [02:15] no disagrees that there are people who [02:17] disagree. Actually, [02:17] >> raping baby. Yes, there are. There are [02:19] people who think I'm wrong because Hamas [02:22] and they're freedom fighters. What kind [02:24] of freedom are we talking about here? [02:26] >> You the people see Hamas the people who [02:29] hate oppression so much are on the side [02:32] of the people and that's not just Hamas. [02:35] If if you social justice warriors, if [02:37] you have any other issue besides gender [02:40] apartheid in the world that is above [02:43] that, you're just a joke. That if you're [02:45] if you hate oppression, there is there [02:48] is one issue which should be above all [02:50] because it affects more people, hundreds [02:53] of millions of women who have basically [02:56] no freedom in the Muslim world. [02:58] >> Right. So, we should slaughter them [02:59] instead, which is what's been happening. [03:01] >> Well, you should you should prosecute a [03:03] war to the end. Mhm. [03:05] >> That does that does involve slaughter of [03:07] every war, you know. U [03:10] >> I think listen, civilians get killed in [03:13] wars. I think everyone knows that. [03:15] Everyone acknowledges that. [03:16] >> Especially when you hide be especially [03:17] when you hide behind them. [03:19] >> But when 83% according to the IDF's own [03:23] data, and this is reported, by the way, [03:25] I consume Israeli media on this. I don't [03:28] consume American media on this. And [03:30] Israeli media is super honest, way more [03:32] honest than our media is. So when the [03:35] IDF's own data indicates that 83% of the [03:39] people that they've killed are civilians [03:41] >> because they hide behind them. [03:43] >> But Bill, do you understand that by [03:46] killing so many civilians, they are [03:48] essentially multip multiplying [03:51] extremism? [03:52] >> I do understand that. Do you understand [03:54] that there's very often in the world two [03:56] very bad choices and you only [03:58] >> I mean I'm an American. I have to vote [04:00] in presidential elections. Yes, I do [04:02] know that. [laughter] [04:02] >> Okay. You don't have the good choice. [04:04] You have the bad choice and the even [04:06] worse choice. Israel has been being [04:09] attacked by him. First of all, the [04:11] entire Arab world rejected them for 75 [04:14] years. They kept trying to make a deal. [04:17] They kept saying, "No, we want it all." [04:20] That's what from the river to the sea [04:22] means. It means we want it all. We don't [04:24] want a compromise. They've never wanted [04:26] a compromise. Israel gave Gaza back. [04:29] >> But did they gave it back? But Bill, in [04:33] 2008, let's say our country was occupied [04:35] by Mexico, right? We have a bunch of um [04:37] people who are occupying our land and [04:39] then they decide, you know, [04:41] and they weren't occupying. [04:42] >> Let me finish. Let's say Mexico decides, [04:44] you know what, we're going to leave, but [04:46] we're going to control their [04:46] electricity. What goes in, what comes [04:48] out [04:49] >> because they were attacking. [04:50] >> We're going to mow the lawn and just [04:52] like randomly decide we're going to [04:54] slaughter people because they allegedly [04:56] threw rocks. [04:57] >> They have literally nuclear. [04:59] >> Well, they didn't allegedly. I mean, [05:00] Israel has nuclear weapons, Bill. They [05:02] have nuclear weapons and they don't. And [05:04] they have the world's military [05:06] superpower backing them, [05:08] >> right? Well, they have nuclear weapons [05:10] which they don't use. If Hamas had [05:12] >> No, no, they don't use it. But to [05:13] pretend [05:14] >> if Hamas had a nuclear weapon, how many [05:16] seconds would it take before they used [05:18] it on Israel? [05:19] >> I have no idea. [05:20] >> Three. [05:22] Three is the answer. Three seconds. [05:25] >> How do you know that, Bill? Come on. [05:27] >> Because it's in their charter. If they [05:28] used a nuclear weapon against Israel, uh [05:31] I I'm pretty sure the very land that [05:33] Hamas cares about would be done for. [05:36] >> Okay. Well, then they would be martyrs [05:38] and that would be a good thing cuz [05:39] that's their death cult view of the [05:41] world. It's a good thing when you die. [05:43] That's why they strap suicide vests [05:45] sometimes on children. The fact that you [05:48] can't see the moral difference between [05:50] these two sides always amazes me among [05:52] people. I don't I actually don't see the [05:53] moral difference when you have like [05:55] Basel Smootrich and Ben Gavir literally [05:58] talking about exterminating the entire [06:00] population of Gaza. [06:01] >> Okay, they're not talking about [06:03] >> and these these are not they are I mean [06:04] the statements are brazen. They're [06:06] upfront. They're honest. This is what [06:08] they actually want to do. I mean the [06:10] West Bank is another example. The West [06:12] Bank had nothing to do with what [06:14] happened on October 7th. But they're [06:16] annexing that land anyway. Uh they're [06:18] reigning terror on innocent people, [06:20] innocent Palestinians. are driving them [06:21] out of their homes. Like listen, I am [06:24] willing to admit because it's the truth [06:26] that what Hamas did on October 7th was a [06:29] [ __ ] atrocity killing innocent [06:31] people. [06:31] >> Couldn't admit that. [06:32] >> But but you have a difficult time at [06:34] least acknowledging the atrocities that [06:36] have been committed against innocent [06:37] civilians in Gaza. [06:39] >> Well, it depends on what you call an [06:40] atrocity. All wars are going to have [06:42] atrocities. [06:43] >> A double tap on a hospital. [06:44] >> All war [06:47] >> A double tap on a hospital. So when the [06:49] first responders show up, [06:50] >> I don't know I don't know exactly what [06:51] you're talking about. I I vaguely [06:53] remember the thing, right? [06:54] >> Yeah. First of all, that's an old [06:56] terrorist trick. [06:58] >> That's what they do all the time. [07:00] >> Okay. But you are you at least going to [07:01] acknowledge that the IDF doing that was [07:03] wrong. [07:03] >> Yeah. I'm sure they have committed what [07:05] we would call war crimes as every army [07:07] does in every war, [07:08] >> right? Including our own. Right. [07:10] >> In every war, including the Civil War. [07:14] Uh I forget who it was who made the good [07:16] point like um during the Civil War a lot [07:21] of people would say especially in the [07:22] South that Sherman did not have to burn [07:26] Atlanta quite as badly as he did. [07:29] >> I mean we were pretty brutal. [07:31] >> But would you also then just say well we [07:35] don't know who the good guys were in [07:36] that war. No, I think it was the North. [07:38] I think they they committed the atrocity [07:40] in Atlanta. Yet that's true. They burned [07:43] when they shouldn't and they were very [07:45] rough on the south. They were still the [07:47] good guys. They were fighting against [07:49] slavery as Israel is fighting to survive [07:52] and also you know they are the front [07:55] line in the western world. [07:57] >> I totally disagree with you on this [07:58] entirely. I think much much of the [08:00] problems we have in the Middle East is [08:02] due to the enabling of this expan. Look, [08:06] it's an expansionist policy. If if [08:08] Israel w wasn't trying to continue [08:11] expanding in the Middle East, [08:13] >> I don't think they would be dealing with [08:14] the enmity like the enemies that they're [08:16] dealing with. [08:16] >> They've never been asked, they've never [08:18] been trying to expand. [08:19] >> They're trying to annex the West Bank [08:20] right now and Lebanon, southern Lebanon, [08:23] and Syria, which they succeeded [08:24] [clears throat] in. [08:25] >> These are all places that they were [08:26] attacked from. When the when they became [08:29] a country in 1947, they said, "Okay, we [08:32] will accept half a loaf." They had as [08:34] much right to that land as anybody. [08:36] There was a continual presence there [08:38] since a th000 BC when King David had a [08:41] king. [08:41] >> I don't care about that at all. [08:42] >> Okay. But it's relevant. It's relevant [08:44] to people. It's [08:46] >> wipe out innocent people because they [08:48] used to live there like centuries ago. [08:50] >> You're calling them colonizers. They're [08:52] not colonizers. [08:53] >> They're expanding and they're annexing [08:55] land. That's what colonizers do. [08:57] >> First of all, again, they were willing [08:58] to take half a loaf. Then they were [09:00] attacked in 19 Excuse me. Let me [09:03] >> It's way more complicated than that, but [09:04] it's okay. Well, I don't know if you [09:05] know the history. I do really well. [09:07] >> Really? Tell me the war. [09:08] >> So, for instance, [09:09] >> when were they when were they attacked? [09:10] What was that? [09:11] >> Okay. So, in 1967 when um [09:13] >> that was the first time. [09:15] >> No, that wasn't the first time. But but [09:16] when you say that they have offered land [09:19] to the Palestinians, land that belonged [09:21] to them in the first place. The belongle [09:24] to them. The whole point of this whole [09:25] two-state solution was okay, we'll give [09:27] you this territory if you pro you [09:30] promise not to militarize. Without a [09:32] military, you don't have a country. You [09:34] don't have a country without a military. [09:35] You don't have a country without [09:36] borders, right? Without a military, you [09:39] can't defend your borders. So, if I were [09:43] engaging in these negotiations with the [09:45] Israelis, I would say, "Listen, I [09:48] respect the territory that you're [09:50] offering. However, we need to [09:51] militarize. We need to protect our [09:53] borders." To me, that's a big thing. [09:56] >> But that's not what they ever used it [09:58] for. Again, they gave Gaza back in 2005. [10:02] They could have chosen. They didn't give [10:03] Gaza back into they left Gaza but didn't [10:06] really leave Gaza when they have [10:07] complete control over the territory [10:09] >> because they kept being attacked. They [10:12] Excuse me. Just let me finish one [10:13] second. Go ahead. Go ahead. [10:14] >> They could have turned Gaza into a state [10:16] that was much more like, I don't know, [10:18] Dubai or something if they wanted to. [10:20] They didn't. Hamas took over right away. [10:22] They never had elections after that. [10:25] >> There are You're right about the [10:27] election. [10:27] >> They're a terrorist mafia. Their own [10:29] population is terrorized by them. They [10:32] don't like them. All they did was import [10:34] weapons from Iran, build tunnels, and [10:36] use it to prosecute this war against [10:39] Israel. They never used it. So, of [10:41] course, Israel is going to be defensive. [10:43] Their their issue was they were not [10:45] defensive enough, which is why October [10:48] 7th happened. [10:50] >> So, you're making good points. I'm going [10:52] to concede to some of them. Uh, not all [10:54] of them, but but [10:56] >> I don't even know why you want to talk [10:57] about this. [10:58] >> This is what I want. I want Palestinians [11:01] to live in their own territory. I want [11:04] them to be able to govern themselves. I [11:06] want Israelis to live in peace and [11:08] safety attack [11:12] them as long as they're doing what [11:13] they're currently doing. [11:14] >> They're doing in retaliation for being [11:17] attacked. Of course it is. They've been [11:19] attacked. They were encircled. You [11:22] Lebanon. Why are they in Lebanon? [11:23] Because Hezbollah was attacking from [11:25] from there, [11:26] >> right? In response to what they're doing [11:27] in Gaza. Yes. They well before that [11:30] they've had four wars there. [11:32] >> Was it was it when they were trying to [11:33] annex land from southern Lebanon that [11:35] they were attacking? [11:36] >> They were not trying to annex land. They [11:38] were trying to put a border between the [11:40] country that was continually attacking [11:42] them. [11:43] >> Mhm. [11:43] >> If they were if if if we were being [11:45] attacked from Canada, I imagine we would [11:47] want a little border between Maine and [11:50] Canada. [11:51] >> True. [11:51] >> I don't think you would. [11:52] >> While building that border, we wouldn't [11:54] take a little bit. I don't know where [11:56] Tik Tok getting this information. No, [11:58] it's not Tik Tok. I'm very well read on [12:00] this. Very well read on this. I care [12:02] about this issue a lot. I do. Yeah. [12:04] >> Uh let me ask you one question and then [12:06] maybe we can get off it because [12:08] otherwise I just want to go I want to go [12:09] have dinner. [12:10] >> I'm not interested in this. [12:12] >> Yeah. [12:12] >> Um [12:13] >> it's not really what I started a podcast [12:16] for. You seem you seem to be itching to [12:18] get to it. And now now that you have I'm [12:21] not going to like back down on it [12:23] because [12:24] >> And I'm not Jewish by the way. Oh, I [12:26] didn't accuse you of being Jewish and [12:28] then it wouldn't matter if you were. [12:30] >> No, but I'm saying I I I do this because [12:32] I think it's the right thing and because [12:34] I feel like I know the history and the [12:36] politics of it. [12:37] >> I respect your perspective. [12:38] >> Yeah. [12:38] >> But if you had to live in the Middle [12:40] East, so tomorrow and you got to go live [12:42] in the Middle East, where would you [12:43] live? [12:44] >> You you can pick one city uh any city [12:47] you could um you know as far away as say [12:49] Pakistan. You could live in Karach. You [12:51] could live in Cairo. You could live in [12:53] Aman Jordan. Uh, you you seem to love [12:55] Lebanon. I mean, Beirut's nice when the [12:58] bombing's not happening and the [12:59] assassinations have stopped. Um, or you [13:02] could live in Syria. I hear that's [13:03] wonderful in the summer. Uh, [13:05] >> well, we have al-Qaeda terrorists [13:08] leading to [13:08] >> or the Houthis, I'm sure, would make [13:10] room for you. Uh, Tel Aviv or the West [13:13] Bank, Ramla, Ramala. I think this [13:16] wonderful for like a little in the fall [13:19] it gets lovely. Um, where would you [13:21] live? What city would you live? [13:23] Where do you think you'd be comfortable [13:24] in that dress? [13:25] >> I'm sure it would not be comfortable in [13:27] this dress in any of the various Middle [13:29] Eastern countries that have been [13:31] destabilized by [13:32] >> You're not really You're not really [13:34] blaming it on Whitey. [13:36] >> Listen, [13:36] >> are you you're blaming Islam on Whitey? [13:40] >> I'm not blaming Islam on Whitey. [13:42] >> But what you're saying is we [13:43] destabilized. That's why you can't wear [13:45] that. [13:46] >> Did we not did we not destabilize? [13:47] >> Wait a second. We were funding terrorist [13:49] organizations in Syria during the Syrian [13:51] civil war starting under the Obama [13:54] administration. Did that not destabilize [13:56] Syria? [13:56] >> No. What's destabilized? [13:59] >> There's a literal al-Qaeda terrorist [14:00] talking about your dress. Why? It looks [14:03] good. I know it looks like you're saying [14:05] you can't wear that dress in Syria [14:07] because of Whitey destabilizing. [14:09] >> I didn't say that. [14:10] >> Okay, that's what it Okay, great. That's [14:12] what it sounded like. did destabilize [14:14] very [14:15] deny that and you I asked about the [14:17] dress and you went right to destabilize. [14:19] So is that why you couldn't wear that [14:21] dress? [14:22] >> Why couldn't you wear that dress? [14:24] >> I [14:24] >> Why couldn't you? [14:25] >> You want You want me to talk about [14:27] jihadism and Islam, but like [14:30] >> why won't you listen? Why won't you [14:32] >> I mean I I won't I don't believe in [14:36] jihadism which is why I'm furious. It's [14:39] not just the United States just had [14:41] al-Qaeda terrorism. [14:42] >> It's not just jihadism that is [14:44] preventing you from wearing that dress [14:46] >> there. Are you saying every Muslim is a [14:48] jihad? I don't think they are. [14:50] >> Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill. Okay. Why can't [14:52] you wear that? Let's focus. Let's focus [14:53] for a second. [14:53] >> No, you won't. You won't answer this [14:55] question. [14:55] >> I'm not going to defend that religion [14:57] like that extremist religion at all. [15:00] That's not what this discussion is [15:01] about. This discussion, it's very much [15:02] what it's about. very innocent human [15:05] beings [15:06] >> that I don't want to be slaughtered [15:08] regardless of what their religion is. [15:09] >> No one does. Then stop starting wars. [15:11] >> It's that simple. [15:11] >> Stop attacking Israel. It'll stop. [15:14] >> Okay. [15:15] >> But the fact that you can't answer that [15:17] question and you know that [15:18] >> I don't know what the question is. [15:19] What's the question? [15:20] >> You you keep doing that. [15:22] >> What's my question? What's your [15:23] question? [15:23] >> Because you don't really want to hear [15:25] it. [15:25] >> No, go ahead. I will give you space to [15:28] speak. Go ahead. [15:28] >> Then you will let me. Okay. The question [15:30] is if you could live anywhere, [15:33] >> right, [15:33] >> from [15:35] North Africa all the way to we left out [15:38] Usbekistsan, you could live there. Uh [15:41] Kazakhstan, um Saudi Arabia, Riyad. Oh, [15:45] >> none. None of the above. [15:46] >> And or Tel Aviv? [15:48] >> None of them. Literally none of them. [15:50] >> But if you had to choose one, [15:52] >> you would you would So to you [15:55] >> to you Karach Pakistan and Tel Aviv, [15:57] same thing. I would figure something [15:59] out. But I [16:00] >> That's powerful. Not as smart as I know [16:02] you are. That's That's Come on. [16:05] >> You're going to get killed. You're going [16:06] to get killed for that. For good reason. [16:08] >> No, I don't. [16:09] >> Yes, you are. And for good reason. [16:11] Because [16:12] >> I'm Armenian. I'm Armenian. I have [16:14] literal family members who currently [16:16] live in Iran. I have no love for the [16:18] Iranian regime. Let me be clear about [16:19] that. I left [16:20] >> out. Would you like Hold on. But let me [16:22] just say something. [16:23] >> There is so much disinformation. [16:27] Armenian Christians who are part of the [16:29] Armenian diaspora as a result of the [16:31] 1915 genocide against Armenians. They're [16:34] living in Iran right now. They're going [16:36] to church. They are being left alone by [16:39] the Ayatollah. As awful as the Ayatollah [16:41] is. [16:42] >> So look, I I'm not saying I would want [16:43] to live in Iran. I don't want to live [16:45] anywhere in the Middle East. I want to [16:46] live here in the United States of [16:47] America, the greatest freaking country [16:49] in the world. [16:49] >> Look at that. You're like a politician. [16:50] You're avoiding [16:51] >> No, I'm being as super honest as I can. [16:53] >> No, you're not. No, you're not. [16:54] >> 100%. I'm being honest with you. No, no. [16:56] Because the question is if you had to [16:58] pick a city and you're not answering [17:00] that question. You're doing what polit [17:02] you're doing what politicians are doing [17:03] and saying, "I don't want to live in any [17:05] of them. I want to live in America." [17:06] That's not the question. The question [17:07] is, if you had to pick, would you rather [17:10] live in Tel Aviv? Because I promise you, [17:12] you wouldn't last a week in the other [17:14] places and you could easily live in Tel [17:16] Aviv. So, if you don't think that speaks [17:18] of a difference between cultures and [17:20] civilizations, then okay, we'll we'll [17:23] we'll we'll leave it there. But I [17:24] promise you it does. And if you had to [17:27] actually do that, I think you would [17:28] agree with me. [17:30] >> I think given my very harsh and uh [17:34] voseiferous criticisms of the Israeli [17:36] government, I probably wouldn't feel so [17:38] safe living in Tel Aviv right now under [17:40] this government. Under this government, [17:42] >> let's first of all, they they have free [17:44] speech there, so they would it would not [17:46] be an issue. [17:48] >> Uh but that is a side issue. We're not [17:50] really talking about We'll just say just [17:52] a a person, not you with your with your [17:54] voseiferous talking out. Just a regular [17:57] a woman of your age. [17:58] >> I'm sure a woman of my age who grew up [18:00] in the Western world would probably feel [18:02] the most comfortable in Tel Aviv. I will [18:04] concede that. [18:05] >> Wow. [18:06] >> Okay. [18:06] >> Well, so let's talk about this. this at [18:10] at three points in the interview, it hit [18:12] me that all of her mistakes, besides the [18:15] fact that she doesn't know the issues [18:16] that well, you could tell she didn't [18:17] know that Israel was attacked in 1948 [18:20] after declaring the state or really [18:22] before declaring the state, she didn't [18:24] know about any wars before 1967. There's [18:26] a lot of things she didn't know. So, she [18:27] doesn't know the issues as well as she [18:29] claims. But here's what I wanted to [18:31] focus in on. At an at three points in [18:34] this discussion, I noticed that Bill was [18:37] trying to expand the context and Anna [18:41] was trying to shrink it. Tell you what I [18:43] mean. Bill says, "Well, [18:47] the Jews have had a presence in the land [18:48] going back to a th00and BC, going back [18:51] 3,000 years." And she says, "I don't [18:54] want to hear about that. I don't care [18:55] about that. I don't care that you were [18:56] there before." She wants the history to [18:58] begin only recently. she doesn't want to [19:01] acknowledge the broader history. He [19:04] expands the context also by bringing up [19:06] the the broader issue of Islam which [19:09] which of course underlies the entire [19:11] conflict and why kamas attacks and he [19:13] mentioned the kamas charter. He wants to [19:14] bring up the issue of Islam. That's why [19:16] he brought up that question that the [19:17] last section of the debate was about [19:19] about where would she want to live and [19:21] she doesn't want to address it because [19:23] she doesn't want the topic to be about [19:25] the broad issue of Islam. She wants it [19:27] to only be about civilians in the Gaza [19:30] Strip. Right? That's another example. [19:32] He's trying to expand the context [19:34] through which we look at the issue. And [19:36] she's trying to shrink it. She did it in [19:39] those two occasions. And she also did it [19:42] when he said, you know, if you if you [19:44] want peace with Israel, just stop [19:45] starting wars. If you want Israel to [19:47] stop taking pieces of territory that [19:49] they need for buffer zones or for their [19:51] security, like the buffer zone in [19:52] Lebanon or the little bit of the little [19:54] strip on the Golan Heights that Israel [19:57] is protecting its northern border with [20:00] stop starting wars. And she didn't want [20:02] to hear that either because that expands [20:04] the context of why Israel is doing it. [20:06] She is constantly shrinking the context [20:09] and he is constantly expanding it. And I [20:11] think that that is a major difference [20:13] between how leftists see things, [20:15] especially when it comes to Israel, and [20:16] how and how and what the historical [20:19] narrative actually is. They don't want [20:21] to look at the actual historical facts. [20:24] They want to shrink the context down to [20:26] a particular number or a particular [20:29] attack that took place and bring it all [20:32] down to what is happening on the ground [20:34] now without any historical context. And [20:36] it this this confirms something that [20:38] I've said for many years, which is that [20:40] the Israel's conflict with its enemies, [20:43] the more you know about it, the more [20:45] pro-Israel you become. The more ignorant [20:48] you are, if you only know a few random [20:49] facts, it's easy to be anti-Israel. And [20:51] Anakasparian exemplifies
