Transcript [00:00] What do young Christians think about [00:04] Israel? I want to, you know, there's [00:06] been a lot of polling done over the last [00:07] few years about how among younger [00:10] evangelical Christians and younger [00:11] Christians in general, there's been [00:13] there is a decrease in support for [00:15] Israel. And it is true. It is very [00:16] concerning. Uh there are still there are [00:20] still young Christians who are Christian [00:21] Zionists as well. And on the Dr. Daff [00:24] show, Dr. Michelle Daff, she has a [00:26] YouTube channel, very interesting uh [00:29] symposia and discussions dealing with a [00:31] lot of issues, especially issues that [00:32] relate to Christians. So, she brought [00:35] together in a focus group uh eight young [00:39] women, I think it's eight in there. [00:40] There are uh four who are anti-ionist [00:43] and four who are Christian Zionist. [00:46] Anti-Zionist versus Christian Zionist, [00:48] all Christian women to have a focus [00:50] group, to have a kind of debate. And you [00:52] can see the full episode on her YouTube [00:53] channel, Dr. Dr. Daff Show, D AF, Dr. [00:56] Daff Show. And uh it's about an hour and [00:58] 20 minutes long. I don't know her. Uh [01:00] full disclosure, I just saw this clip. [01:02] And uh I I decided to take out a few [01:05] short excerpts from this hour and a half [01:08] and share them with you because I have [01:10] uh you know, I have something I you have [01:12] some I have some thoughts on what these [01:14] girls were saying. Uh so I'm just going [01:16] to play you a few select clips. Let's [01:19] take a look. Israel is the only country [01:20] in the Middle East where we have seen [01:22] the Jew or the Christian population [01:23] rather increase instead of decrease [01:25] where they have the right to practice [01:27] their religion freely and openly and [01:30] Israel has offered to make 97% [01:32] >> that's not true. First of all, have you [01:34] not seen the videos of Christians [01:36] getting spit on in Israel? [01:38] >> I'm talking about people being murdered. [01:40] >> Yeah. Again, uh the Jewish people do not [01:43] support Christianity. They don't support [01:45] Christians at all. [01:46] >> Then why is there freedom of religion in [01:48] Israel? I am a Christian gentile from [01:50] Israel. I am perfectly safe there. I [01:52] grew up there most of my life. I [01:54] worshiped in public. We're allowed to [01:55] procilitize. We're allowed to share the [01:57] truth of Yeshua. I spent every summer [02:00] going to a summer camp called Dohaba, [02:02] which means the next generation with [02:03] Arab believers, Israeli believers, [02:06] coming together to praise Yeshua out in [02:08] the open, out in public. This was my [02:10] life. So, I find it really interesting [02:12] that you guys want to stand here and [02:14] tell me how Christians are persecuted [02:16] and say what I have to say is [02:17] propaganda. My life was not a propaganda [02:20] uh like scop. I I would dare to say that [02:24] your guys's information coming from the [02:26] screen might have been. [02:29] >> Okay. [02:31] So, [02:33] so the girl in the yellow mentioned Jews [02:35] spitting on Christians in Israel to show [02:37] that Israel is anti-Christian. Now, [02:39] there have been there there have been [02:41] incidents like that. There are [02:42] anti-Christian incidents, but [02:44] ironically, they actually prove the [02:47] opposite of what she thinks they prove. [02:48] They actually prove that Israel, if you [02:50] look at those incidents in total, what [02:52] happened there, they actually prove the [02:56] opposite, that Israel is actually a very [02:58] pro-Christian place. I know that sounds [02:59] ironic. Let me explain. So, here's how [03:03] Israel's own leadership responded when [03:06] those videos of Jews spitting on [03:07] Christians came out. The prime minister [03:09] said, quote, "We will show zero [03:11] tolerance against those who harm [03:13] worshippers." [03:15] Okay, that was Prime Minister Nathan [03:16] Yao. Zero tolerance. The foreign [03:18] minister said, "I condemn the ugly [03:21] phenomenon of spitting on Christians." [03:23] The religious affairs minister, [03:25] religious affairs minister said, "It's [03:27] not the way of the Torah." Even like the [03:29] ultraorththodox parties, members of [03:31] Knesset also condemned this activity. [03:34] The chief rabbi condemned it as being [03:36] out of step with Jewish law. Now it so [03:40] this is not this isn't government [03:43] endorsed anti-Christian behavior. It's [03:45] not just not governmentors. It's the [03:46] Israeli public the Israeli public [03:49] rejects it. I wrote an opinion piece in [03:51] the Jerusalem Post at that time about [03:53] this also talking about how despicable [03:54] this was and how counterproductive it [03:56] is. So when you see when you see clips [04:01] of Jews spitting on Christians and they [04:02] exist, what you're actually seeing is [04:05] deviance, meaning the society itself [04:07] treats it as devian. You're seeing a [04:09] small number of people behaving badly. [04:11] That's what devian is. It's shameful. [04:13] It's wrong. It's a desecration of what [04:16] Judaism represents. And that's what all [04:18] Jewish leadership says. But turning that [04:21] into Israel is anti-Christian actually [04:24] flips reality on its head. Because in [04:26] Israel, when something like this [04:27] happens, it's a scandal. It upsets [04:30] almost everybody. Most people are very [04:32] upset about it. It's universally [04:34] condemned. That's what I meant when I [04:36] said that these incidents actually prove [04:38] the opposite of what she thinks they [04:39] prove. They actually show how [04:40] pro-Christian Israel is or how not [04:42] anti-Christian it is. Look, I'm going to [04:45] I'm going to uh let me drill down [04:48] further on this point with the following [04:49] analogy. [04:51] And [04:53] so there's a friend of mine who brought [04:54] this up to me years ago about [04:56] anti-semitism that [05:01] if you go back to the early part of the [05:03] 20th century, [05:05] there was anti-semitism. Of course, [05:07] there was there's anti-semitism now as [05:09] well, but back then the anti-semitism [05:12] was um expressed in things like [05:17] colleges and universities having quotas [05:19] of how many Jews to accept, right? There [05:22] were there were communities that would [05:24] not sell a home to a Jew. There were [05:27] government agencies that would never [05:29] hire any Jews. Okay, that was very [05:32] common back then. [05:34] Fast forward [05:37] And [05:38] if anti-semitism is now now we're having [05:41] a rise in systemic anti-semitism again, [05:44] but if anti-semitism goes from that [05:49] to being [05:51] skin heads painting swastikas on the [05:53] side of synagogue buildings and [05:56] desecrating tombstones and thugs [05:59] behaving like thugs towards Jews, [06:02] meaning people who are deviant and are [06:04] treated as deviant. If anti-semitism is [06:06] treated as deviant behavior, then it [06:08] means that you have a society that [06:10] doesn't tolerate anti-semitism because [06:12] there's always going to be deviant [06:14] behavior. That's part of any society. [06:16] Whatever rules the society has, there [06:17] will be people who are deviant. In fact, [06:19] you can tell a society's values also by [06:22] looking at what's considered deviant by [06:24] the society. Ironically, deviance, [06:28] deviant behavior teaches you [06:32] what the society values because that's [06:34] what it considers rejected deviant [06:36] behavior. You get it? Does it make [06:38] sense? So, the fact that there are Jews [06:41] who spit on Christians doesn't say [06:44] anything about what the society values [06:45] because the only question is, is that [06:47] mainstream acceptable behavior or is [06:49] that deviant behavior? And in Israel, [06:51] it's considered and treated as deviant [06:53] behavior. So, that was the point I [06:55] wanted to make. I thought uh yeah, it [06:57] was an interesting one. Let's go back uh [07:00] to this and let's see the next clip. [07:03] This is a continuation actually of what [07:05] we just saw. [07:06] >> Um for one, going back to, you know, the [07:12] the claim that we we as Christians [07:14] should support Israel. what what I got [07:17] from the last prompt is that it was kind [07:19] of just you know assumed that we [07:21] defended you know Hamas or Islamic [07:24] terrorism. So the thing is is that the [07:28] character of God would never he would [07:30] never condone [07:32] a nation and by the way this is from the [07:35] Israeli government. He would never [07:37] condone or agree with a nation. This is [07:39] the character of God we're speaking on. [07:42] Um that has an 83% [07:46] casualty record [07:48] >> of civilians. [07:50] >> That's not true. It's a 2:1 ratio. [07:51] >> That's from the straight is not Islam. [07:54] Sorry. The Israeli government. [07:56] >> No, that's not true. Actually, they say [07:56] it's a 1:1. That's taking Hamas's own. [07:59] >> No, it's literally from the website. You [08:00] could go [08:01] >> hadn't for a while. Why don't you go [08:02] ahead and speak? [08:03] >> Israel responds when it's been attacked. [08:06] It does not make consistently as we've [08:09] seen in history the offensive and every [08:11] time the in the c in the circumstances [08:14] where Israel has gained land that is [08:16] because Israel was attacked on the [08:18] defensive side. Now if we look to back [08:21] to the question if we look to what does [08:23] support for Israel look like today well [08:25] essentially we can stand with our local [08:27] synagogue standing for the Jews. Jews [08:28] have been murdered so many atrocities [08:31] throughout the world as we've seen with [08:33] the Holocaust. Let's not forget that. [08:34] Let's not forget our Jewish [08:36] Yeah, that's the point. Why are you [08:37] mocking us to bring up? Because [08:39] >> that's not very Christ. What? Because [08:42] that is the talking point that always [08:43] gets used. That is the point that always [08:45] gets used to tell people like it's [08:47] demonic. Do we want to talk about all of [08:50] Do we want to talk about all of your [08:52] killed throughout history? Do we want to [08:54] talk about [08:54] >> Are you going to sit here and try to use [08:56] a moral high ground of people dying in [08:58] Gaza and then mock the Holocaust? [09:01] >> Okay. [09:03] Um, so on this point, you know, let's [09:06] start with what uh with what that with [09:09] what the girl near the beginning said [09:11] about Gaza, talking about like 83% [09:13] civilian casualties and saying that, you [09:16] know, it's literally on the website or [09:18] whatever that means. Uh, and then they [09:19] started arguing about casualty figures. [09:21] So here, I don't want to have too much [09:23] disdain for this girl. at various other [09:25] points in this full event. If you watch [09:27] it, you'll see that that particular girl [09:29] who said that um uh als she at one point [09:33] in it she also claims to have read the [09:34] entire Talmud u and then says it wasn't [09:37] a very long book. It very very strange. [09:39] So she's obviously someone who uh who is [09:42] not to be trusted. But in any event, [09:45] there's a larger issue here, which is [09:46] the issue of the [09:50] of the successful propaganda campaign [09:52] about Israel committing genocide or or [09:55] killing lots of civilians in the Gaza [09:57] Strip. It was it's so successful that [09:59] it's become kind of axiomatic for this [10:01] generation. I've seen this in many [10:02] contexts where I interact with Gen Z [10:05] Christian conservative kids that they've [10:07] just bought the narrative. It's it's it [10:10] was it was so well done by Israel's [10:12] enemies that it really penetrated and [10:14] there's just this belief that Israel uh [10:18] committed you know killed excessive [10:20] numbers of civilians even though the [10:21] empirical evidence all proves otherwise [10:23] only the empirical evidence you know you [10:24] have this story here from from the [10:27] Jerusalem Post. Is it coming up on the [10:29] screen? Uh let's see. Is it here? Yeah. [10:35] Kamas admits. [10:38] You check out this headline. Kamas [10:39] admits, this is this is an old headline. [10:42] I went and found this story and this is [10:44] from the middle of the you know uh this [10:45] is April 2025. This is a year old story. [10:48] Kamas admits 72% of combat a age [10:51] fatalities are men. Quietly reduces [10:54] civilian death toll. Okay. Kamas quietly [10:57] removed the names of thousands of [10:59] Palestinians that had previously alleged [11:01] were killed during the Israel Hamas war. [11:03] Um, Kamas had previously claimed that [11:06] 70% of casualties had been women and [11:08] children, a claim no longer reflected in [11:10] their recently updated lists. According [11:12] to research, approximately 72% of the [11:15] fatalities between the ages of 13 to 55 [11:17] were men, a demographic category that [11:20] aligns with kamas combatants. If you're [11:21] killing civilians, you're not going to [11:22] kill 72% fighting age men. It's just not [11:25] going to happen that way. Um and and [11:28] this was uh uh this is the this was from [11:31] the work of of Salo Eisenberg from [11:34] honorsporting.com where he was [11:36] researching you know so they would put [11:37] out kamas would put out official [11:38] statements claiming this massive [11:40] percentages of women and children being [11:42] killed but and then in the official [11:45] published documents where they had to [11:46] actually give lists of casualties it [11:48] wouldn't those wouldn't reflect the [11:50] numbers that they publicized this went [11:51] on throughout the war and Salo Eisenberg [11:53] and also Andrew Fox from the Henry [11:55] Jackson Society a number of people who [11:57] studied this issue. Uh, but I I bring [12:00] all this up not not not uh I'm not [12:02] saying this all because I want to defend [12:04] Israel. Um, which of course I do, but [12:06] that's not why I'm bringing this up. I'm [12:07] bringing this up to point out how [12:09] successful this campaign was that you [12:11] had these kids who just like you know [12:14] the big claim against Israel morally [12:16] that bothers them and it's and and you [12:18] know Jesus could never uh you know would [12:20] never condone killing all these [12:22] civilians that these kids just kind of [12:26] believe that anyway um okay here's [12:30] another clip from this from this event I [12:32] wanted to comment on have a look at this [12:34] >> your motive to say what is the line with [12:36] you guys cuz to to us it seems like your [12:39] only line is violence against Jews. Like [12:41] nothing else can be anti-semitic. [12:43] >> Is that like is that the only line? [12:45] >> Are you asking like what we believe [12:46] anti-semitism? [12:47] >> Anti-semitism is being anti like any [12:50] anyone Arabian descent. So the idea that [12:53] that anti-semitism, [12:56] you know, Jew hatred, [12:59] how does Arabian descent tie into [13:01] anti-semitism? [13:02] >> I'm going to go ahead and flush this [13:03] out. So wait, [13:05] >> is it only towards Jews? Because there [13:07] are other Seeatic people in your Yeah. [13:10] Right. [13:10] >> Is it only towards Jews? [13:11] >> Oh, I mean I is for like say like a [13:15] Muslim were to say that. Yeah, it would [13:18] it would be equal to that because as a [13:20] Christian, I'm non-conformist to [13:22] Christian values. [13:23] >> I think normatively we all understand [13:25] anti-semitism like we're parsing out [13:27] what words mean, which is [13:30] uh we're deconstructing it. Um, [13:33] anti-semitism normatively we all [13:34] understand that means Jew hatred just [13:35] like Islamophobia is understood to be [13:38] hatred towards Muslims or Arabs. So like [13:40] colloally we use it in that sense. So [13:42] parsing apart that Seemetic people can [13:44] also be Arab to then try and redefine [13:46] what anti-semitism is is idiotic to me. [13:49] >> Seemetic refers to a group of languages [13:51] overall as well. So [13:53] >> okay so this issue I want to address [13:56] this. I mean, it seems kind of [13:59] to anyone well informed, it seems it [14:01] seems quite silly. Um, [14:05] but there but this is actually there's [14:08] actually something serious going on [14:09] here. It's true that the that the term [14:12] Semitic is a linguistic term. It refers [14:14] to a family of languages, Hebrew, [14:16] Arabic, Aramaic. That is that is [14:18] correct. But that's not where the term [14:20] anti-semitism comes from. The term [14:21] itself was coined in the 19th century in [14:24] Germany by Wilhelm Mar and from the very [14:28] beginning it referred specifically to [14:30] hostility towards Jews. He wasn't [14:31] talking about all Semitic peoples. He [14:33] wanted to distinguish them from the [14:34] Aryan people ethnically. Right? He was [14:37] trying to create a modern racialized [14:40] term for anti-Jewish hatred. Okay, [14:43] that's how the word's been used ever [14:45] since historically, academically, and in [14:47] common usage. it's always referred to [14:48] Jews and that's it was invented to refer [14:50] to Jews not as a broader linguistic [14:52] category. So the argument that Arabs are [14:54] also Semites so this can't be [14:56] anti-semitism is based on taking the [14:58] word apart literally rather than looking [15:01] at uh at how it was actually defined and [15:05] used and coined. In other words, it [15:07] sounds logical on the surface but that's [15:08] not how the term works. Now the reason I [15:10] brought this up because it seems so [15:11] silly. The reason I brought this up is [15:15] because [15:16] this thing that oh ar, you know, Arabs [15:21] are also semmites, so you can't call us [15:22] anti-semites. They use this and it works [15:24] on a lot of these young people. It's a [15:26] silly argument, but it's just an [15:28] indication of how how how messaging can [15:31] be very effective uh you know with these [15:34] young people. Anyway, um last clip I [15:37] want to show you. Here it is. [15:39] >> My answer doesn't all have to fall on [15:40] you. Is anti-Zionism anti-semitic? [15:44] >> Yes. [15:45] >> The government of Israel is not Zionism, [15:48] first of all. So when she asked you if [15:49] you're against Zionism and you said [15:51] we're against the government of Israel, [15:52] that's two separate things. On top of [15:54] from again a Catholic perspective, Pope [15:57] Francis himself came out um back in 2015 [16:00] when he was doing an interview and said [16:02] that you can be opposed to the [16:04] government of Israel. You could disagree [16:05] with them politically, but to be against [16:08] the state of Israel and its right to [16:10] exist, um, that is anti-semitism and it [16:14] is singling out the only Jewish nation. [16:16] I'd also love to hear when you guys say [16:18] you're against the state of Israel, does [16:19] that mean you're calling for its [16:21] destruction? [16:22] >> No. [16:23] >> So then what does it mean? [16:25] >> I would say that they're already there. [16:26] So I mean, because they're already [16:28] there, I wouldn't say the job. [16:30] >> No, I would say that they shouldn't be [16:31] uprooted from where they are, but [16:32] because that's where they were placed. [16:34] But do you know that when they decided [16:35] that they were going to create the [16:37] modern nation of Israel that they [16:38] actually had uh several different [16:40] locations that they were [16:42] >> and why did they turn those locations [16:43] down [16:44] >> that they just decided? [16:46] >> No, they didn't just decide they wanted [16:48] to be in their indigenous homeland and [16:49] during one of the most important [16:51] religious Jewish holidays during their [16:53] seder they say next year in Jerusalem [16:55] they wanted to go back to their [16:56] homeland. So they turned down those [16:57] locations because to them it was never [16:59] about the land it was about their [17:00] self-determination. [17:01] >> Jesus celebrated that holiday by the [17:03] way. I think you wanted this week. [17:04] >> So, Zionism is just nationalism for the [17:08] Jews and Zionism emerged in a wave of [17:11] nationalism across Europe in a preWorld [17:13] War context. So, yeah, there were [17:15] different locations being debated. This [17:17] was even prior to the fall of the [17:18] Ottoman Empire. So, there was no context [17:19] for what a modern state of Israel would [17:21] look like. So, again, Zionism is not the [17:23] state of Israel. Zionism is just [17:24] nationalism for the Jews, which again [17:27] did not occur in a vacuum just for the [17:28] Jewish people. We saw that happen across [17:30] the Middle East in a postw World War I [17:31] and World War II context. [17:33] >> And I want to go back to the two [17:34] different main definitions of [17:37] anti-Zionism. When we say, okay, do Jews [17:40] have anti-Zionism is whether or not Jews [17:44] have a biblical divine right to the [17:45] land. If you disagree that is not [17:48] anti-semitism. However, I want to add in [17:50] the other definition. If you believe [17:52] that Jews do not have any natural right [17:54] to the land, meaning the land of Israel, [17:56] then yes, given all the atrocities [17:59] around the world, whether the Holocaust [18:02] or all around the world, even today, [18:04] even in our own backyard, in all the [18:06] local synagogues, then yes. [18:08] >> And can I also I think the definition of [18:10] anti-semitism when it comes to [18:11] anti-ionism is if you're going to hold [18:13] the state of Israel to an impossible [18:14] moral standard that you're not going to [18:15] hold the rest of the Middle East to [18:16] because no one seems outraged. You [18:18] mentioned Iran. the fastest growing [18:19] underground churches in Iran. Why? [18:21] Because pluralism is non-existent there. [18:23] Um, and how there's been an ethnic [18:25] cleansing of eth uh of indigenous [18:28] Christians, some of the first [18:29] communities of Christians in the Middle [18:30] East under Islamic regimes. Um, I think [18:33] that's kind of where the anti-semitism [18:34] comes in. [18:37] >> Okay. [18:39] All right. Uh, a number of different uh [18:42] issues here. [18:46] So first of all that what they brought [18:48] up about how when u that you know when [18:51] the when when Zionism began there were a [18:54] number of other locations there weren't [18:55] a number of other locations in in 1904 [18:58] 1905 around then the British [19:02] u who had an interest and there's a [19:04] whole background that goes back hundreds [19:06] of years to why there was this interest [19:08] in the British leadership of helping [19:11] helping the Jews restore themselves to [19:13] their homeland. land. They approached [19:15] the Ottomans, the Ottoman Empire about [19:18] giving the Jews some measure of autonomy [19:20] in the land of Israel. The Ottomans [19:21] rejected that. The Ottoman Empire was [19:23] still in was still around. And [19:25] therefore, there was no borders of any [19:27] of the countries like Iraq, Syria, [19:29] Jordan, Israel. None of this existed [19:31] yet. It was all just one big swath of [19:33] land in the Middle East. And the [19:34] Ottomans didn't want to help create a [19:35] Jewish homeland. And the the British [19:38] controlled Eastern Africa, big chunks of [19:41] it. and they suggested to the Zionist [19:44] movement to Theodore Herzel [19:46] that they accept Uganda and create a [19:48] Jewish homeland there and the Zionist [19:50] movement rejected the plan. That's [19:52] that's what that is referring to. It's [19:54] it's uh it was very strange that she [19:57] threw that in there like what point was [19:58] she making? In any event, the more [20:00] interesting [20:02] comments made in this last clip. There [20:04] was the one girl there who was saying [20:06] that [20:08] what [20:09] because is the question is anti-ionism [20:12] anti-semitism? And it was a very [20:13] interesting answer I'd never thought of [20:14] before. She said, "Well, it depends what [20:16] you mean." said, ' If you're saying that [20:18] your anti-Zionism is that you do not [20:20] believe biblically that the Jewish [20:21] people have a biblical right to the land [20:26] of Israel, like theologically, [20:28] biblically, then that's not [20:30] anti-semitism. [20:32] But if you believe that the Jews as an [20:35] ethnic group, as a nation that's been [20:37] persecuted, and she talked about [20:39] persecution, I I want to take it away [20:40] from that. um but like you know in a na [20:44] and she used the term natural have a [20:45] right to the land of Israel and then [20:47] that is anti-semitism and I want to [20:48] parse that a little bit. I thought it [20:49] was an interesting point because what [20:51] she's basically saying is like look if [20:53] your theology [20:56] let's say you believe in in in [20:59] traditional Catholic theology or or or [21:01] you believe in replacement theology now [21:04] we can we can argue internally about the [21:06] theological point is that an [21:08] anti-semitic theology but that's a [21:10] different issue. saying if you if you [21:11] just say I don't believe [21:14] that in the biblical promise but let's [21:16] say you're or a person's an atheist [21:18] right let's say a person says I don't [21:19] believe in the biblical promise of the [21:22] of of of the of the land of Israel to [21:24] the Jewish people and that's what I [21:26] don't I don't believe in that she's [21:28] saying that is not inherently [21:29] anti-semitic could be all kinds of [21:30] reasons you don't believe in that but if [21:33] you believe that the Jewish people as a [21:35] people as a as a as a as an ethnic group [21:38] um as as a people group is not entitled [21:41] to a homeland in the land in their [21:44] ancestral homeland that there is a [21:46] natural when she said natural like that [21:48] there's a record they are indigenous to [21:50] that land you don't believe that they [21:51] have a right to their own land then that [21:53] is anti-semitism because you're denying [21:56] the national identity of the people I [21:58] thought that was an interesting point [21:59] and and lastly there was that last girl [22:01] who was talking about that [22:04] her answer to the question is [22:06] anti-ionism anti-semitism and I think [22:08] this is really the smartest answer is [22:13] and it's the most politically relevant [22:14] answer [22:16] is is well she brought up the double [22:18] standard issue because when people are [22:21] anti-Zionist and they say I'm not [22:23] anti-Semitic I'm just anti you know I [22:24] don't like the state of Israel it's like [22:26] okay well hold on a second if if you [22:29] look at for example persecution of [22:31] Christians across the Middle East and [22:32] you see this the horrible perse [22:35] legalized persecution of Christians [22:38] persecution of Christians where it is. [22:39] This brings us back to the whole [22:40] spitting issue, right? First issue we [22:42] talked about. If you look at places in [22:44] the Middle East where where converting [22:46] to Christianity is punishable by death [22:49] or churches are illegal um and [22:51] Christians are treated as secondass [22:53] citizens as a matter of law, but not [22:55] only as a matter of law, as a matter of [22:57] it's not deviant, it is mainstream. It [22:59] is acceptable. And you see some Jews [23:02] spitting at Christians and you say, "Oh, [23:04] look, they hate Christians." But you're [23:05] ignoring the persecution of Christians, [23:08] the more real persecution of Christians [23:09] in all these in all these other [23:11] countries, then that's anti-semitism. [23:13] Not because it's anti-ionism, but [23:15] because you're that reveals that your [23:18] that your dislike of Israel, your [23:20] dislike of Zionism [23:23] is really just is really just Jew [23:25] hatred. Because otherwise, you wouldn't [23:26] have this double standard, right? or or [23:30] when Israel's held to a certain standard [23:31] in terms of its behavior in wartime uh [23:35] that other nations are not held to. Once [23:37] you have the double standard, she's [23:38] saying that's where the anti-semitism [23:40] comes in. I thought that was a very [23:41] smart answer. Anyway, I can't say enough [23:43] about this. It's really worth going over [23:45] to Dr. Michelle Daff's uh YouTube uh [23:49] channel and uh and watch this. It was it [23:52] was dropped a few weeks ago. [23:54] Anti-Zionist versus Zionists. And not [23:56] that everything they say is intelligent. [23:57] there's a lot of and or or accurate that [23:59] you know the these kids are not experts. [24:02] Uh it's a very very uh profound and [24:06] sometimes disturbing window into how [24:09] these kids perceive things. [24:12] Um you know like that whole discussion [24:13] of the Holocaust that came up uh in that [24:17] earlier um [24:20] um in that earlier clip, right? Right. I [24:23] played that earlier clip um about the [24:26] Holocaust. Like that was you know you [24:27] saw how [24:30] you know the reaction like oh don't use [24:31] this victimhood you know [24:36] justifying Jewish nationalism [24:41] because the Jews have been victims of [24:43] persecution is not something that I'm [24:44] comfortable with. I don't I don't I [24:46] don't I'm not [24:48] it's not where I live. It's not how I [24:49] think and I don't think it and and more [24:51] importantly you see in this clip and [24:54] I've experienced it also in my [24:56] interactions with uh you know with young [24:58] Christian conservatives myself [25:01] just doesn't work. Um it's not [25:06] it's not a good case. No one no one buys [25:08] no one's buying that the victimhood [25:11] argument even if it has some validity. [25:14] Um, and that's an that's that's a very [25:16] important point uh for our side to [25:18] internalize. Anyway, thanks for [25:21] watching. I thought this was an [25:22] interesting uh interesting symposium or [25:26] focus group, whatever you call it. Worth [25:27] watching. Worth watching. God bless.
