Transcript [00:00] So the other day the White House [00:01] Religious Liberties Commission held a [00:03] hearing and Seth Dylan, Seth Dylan from [00:06] the Babylon B, he was testifying there [00:08] and he's been a very outspoken defender [00:11] of the Jewish people, an outspoken [00:12] critic of the rise of anti-semitism on [00:16] the American right and and he was [00:17] testifying there and Carrie Prejan a [00:20] former model who's also on the [00:22] commission was objecting to the fact [00:25] that uh some people on the commission [00:27] and Seth Dylan were referring to Candace [00:30] Owens as an anti-semite. So, let's have [00:33] a look at how that went. [00:37] >> I would really appreciate it if you [00:39] would stop calling Candace Owens an [00:40] anti-semite. She's not an anti-semite. [00:43] She just doesn't support Zionism. And [00:45] that really has to stop. [00:46] >> Okay. [00:47] >> Yeah. [00:48] >> Um [00:50] >> I don't know why you keep bringing her [00:51] up. And Tucker. [laughter] [00:52] >> Well, because they're the two most [00:54] famous anti-semite. [00:55] >> There you go again. Everyone's an [00:57] anti-semite. Everyone's an anti-semite, [00:59] I guess. So, if you don't support [01:01] Zionism, you just said you're not an [01:03] anti-semite. Yet, Candace is an [01:04] anti-semite. [01:05] >> I think she goes far beyond not merely [01:07] supporting Zionism. She calls Jews the [01:09] synagogue of Satan. She just she [01:11] denigrates anyone who she often uses the [01:14] word Zionist and the word Jew [01:15] interchangeably. At one point, she [01:18] slipped up and used the word Jew and [01:20] someone said, "Oh, you're not saying [01:21] Zionist anymore." She's like, "No, [01:22] gloves are off." [01:23] >> So, do you think saying Christ is king [01:24] is anti-Semitic? No, I Christ is king. [01:28] >> Amen. [01:29] >> Christ is my king. He's the king of the [01:30] universe. [01:31] >> So that's what uh started the whole [01:32] thing with her, right? [01:34] >> But uh oh my my my thing with her. Um [01:36] yeah, Christ what what I explained to [01:38] her and this is what she considered this [01:40] deep betrayal uh was simply that the [01:44] phrase Christ is king has been [01:47] admittedly by many co-opted for the [01:50] purpose of identifying with a groper [01:53] movement and and putting the Jews in [01:56] their proper place to show them that [01:58] they are other than and they will use [02:00] the phrase in in very very nasty context [02:03] like I I cited in my statement earlier [02:06] Christ is king, you dirty Jew. I've had [02:08] that told to me dozens of times. Do you [02:10] think that that's anti-semitic? [02:12] >> Of course. [02:13] >> Okay. So, the phrase, [02:14] >> I know, not the Christ is king part, but [02:15] the you dirty Jew, right? [02:17] >> I I say Christ is king all the time. I'm [02:19] not an anti-semite. [02:20] >> Right. And I don't I don't think that [02:21] that makes you an anti-semite. Thank [02:23] you. I'm talking about how the phrase [02:25] can be abused. So, there's plenty of [02:27] ways to use that phrase in a certain [02:30] context or paired with other sentiments [02:32] that make it clear that that person [02:34] doesn't actually believe Christ is king. [02:36] You can't say Christ is king, you dirty [02:38] Jew, and call yourself a Christian. [02:40] Christians worship a Jew. It's just [02:43] absurd. So, um, but no, the phrase [02:46] itself, and this is what I actually said [02:48] in my comments, the phrase is not anti [02:50] is not anti-Semitic. I declare it with [02:52] humility and reverence myself. It's the [02:55] abuse of the phrase. Just like when [02:56] someone takes the Lord's name in vain, [02:58] you should find that objectionable as a [03:00] Christian. I I hope that you do. Someone [03:02] saying something like that in that [03:04] context to a Jewish person for the [03:07] purpose of treating them as other than [03:09] or excluded or um uh you know to [03:13] disparage them in some way. Um that is [03:16] using the Lord's name in an abusive [03:18] manner. it's exploiting it uh for [03:21] political reasons or just for the sake [03:23] of promoting hatred. Uh and I find that [03:25] repulsive. [03:26] >> So anti-semitism to you is merely mostly [03:29] speech. Correct. [03:33] >> Uh I didn't I didn't say that. No, I [03:35] don't know where you got that. [03:36] >> But for someone to say Christ is king on [03:38] their social media platform, would you [03:40] label that an anti-semitic if you're [03:42] looking into the context of what they're [03:44] saying or if they just say it Christ is [03:45] king? Like [03:46] >> it could be. You have to look at the [03:48] context. [03:49] >> But I would say that's anti-Christian if [03:50] you're analyzing why I'm saying Christ [03:52] is king. [03:53] >> No. Saying saying the phrase Jesus [03:54] Christ is not taking the Lord's name in [03:58] vain. Unless you're doing it in a [03:59] certain context, right? There's context [04:02] matters. [04:04] >> Yeah. So going back to Candace Owens [04:06] when she worked for Daily Wire, your [04:07] friend Ben fired her because she said [04:09] Christ is king. [04:10] >> And I never said that what she said was [04:12] anti-Semitic. [04:12] >> Okay. But you're calling her an [04:13] anti-semite. [04:14] >> Oh yes, because she said way worse than [04:16] that. Okay, let's move on [laughter] [04:17] because everyone seems to be obsessed [04:19] with Candace. My last question, why were [04:20] you at the Hampton? [04:21] >> Are can you can just real [04:23] >> Why were you at the Hampton? [04:24] >> Were any Do you think that anything [04:25] Candace has said is anti-Semitic? [04:27] >> Um, no, I don't. [04:28] >> Nothing ever. [04:31] >> That's interesting. [04:32] >> I mean, I listen to her daily. [04:34] >> You should look up more. [04:35] >> I haven't heard one thing out of her [04:36] mouth that I would say is anti-Semitic. [04:38] >> Okay. [04:41] All right. [04:43] So, here's my take on this uh this with [04:46] this whole, you know, Candace Owens [04:48] things. Let me be very clear because I'm [04:50] kind of getting tired of this whole [04:52] game. Every time someone points out [04:54] anti-Semitic rhetoric, there's this [04:56] immediate push back. Oh, you're [04:58] overreacting. You're, you know, you're [05:00] weaponizing it. We're just criticizing [05:01] Israel. We're just asking questions. [05:03] Look, there's a lot of gaslighting here. [05:06] People are not stupid. History is not [05:08] stupid. Anti-semitism [05:11] almost never looks like cartoon Nazis [05:14] twirling mustaches and screaming, "I [05:17] hate Jews." Okay. Historically, it's [05:21] more like conspiracy theories. It's [05:23] claims that Jews secretly control [05:25] governments, that they operate hidden [05:27] networks of power, right? These blood [05:30] liel type of narratives and the Jews [05:32] doing terrible things behind the scenes. [05:34] It looks like claims that the Jewish [05:36] religion teaches Jews to lie and to [05:38] exploit everybody else. That's what [05:41] anti-semitism has looked like for [05:42] centuries. We're used to it, folks. So, [05:45] when someone repeats all that, you don't [05:47] get to turn around and say, "How dare [05:49] you call that anti-semitic?" And here's [05:51] what's really here's what really bothers [05:52] me. If someone said there's this secret [05:55] network of black elites controlling [05:57] society, everyone would immediately call [06:00] that racist. Immediately. If someone [06:02] said there's a hidden Muslim network [06:04] secretly controlling Western [06:06] governments, everyone would say, "Oh, [06:08] that's Islamophobia." [06:11] But when it's the Jews, suddenly [06:13] everyone becomes a philosopher. Oh, uh, [06:15] there's there's nuance. Let's look at [06:17] the intent. Uh, no, no, look, [06:23] there is a hedging going on here to [06:26] preserve plausible deniability. Oh, I'm [06:28] just I'm just criticizing Israel. [06:30] Candace never said anything anti-Semitic [06:32] that the plausible deniability just [06:34] doesn't work because if you repeat [06:35] narratives that have been used to [06:37] demonize Jews for 2,000 years and we're [06:41] used to them. We know what they are. [06:43] People are going to call that [06:44] anti-semitism and you don't get to act [06:47] shocked. And here's another thing. No [06:49] one's saying you can't criticize Israel. [06:51] No one's saying you can't criticize [06:52] Jewish politicians. No one's saying that [06:54] Jews are above criticism. Jews criticize [06:57] Jews more than anyone else on the [06:59] planet. But once you move into this [07:01] whole secret Jewish power running [07:03] things, and Jews are uniquely deceptive [07:06] or manipulative, that's blood liel [07:08] territory. That is what Candace Owens [07:11] does. She does it all the time on her [07:12] show. Jews secretly orchestrating events [07:16] in other countries. That's not political [07:19] commentary anymore. Okay, that's just [07:22] repeating some of the oldest [07:23] anti-semitic tropes in history again. [07:26] We've heard them over and over again and [07:29] we can stop pretending we don't [07:31] recognize the pattern. Okay, we know [07:33] where all of this goes. It it starts [07:36] with there's something hidden about [07:37] these people and the conspiracy [07:39] narratives and then it escalates. That's [07:41] the way it works. Okay, calling it [07:42] anti-semitism isn't weaponizing [07:44] anything. It's not cancel culture. It's [07:47] just calling out what we see and what we [07:50] know. Now, on that point about the [07:53] cancel culture issue, [07:55] um Shabas Kenbal, [07:59] friend of mine, he's with Prageru, he's [08:02] a great spokesman for the younger [08:03] generation of Jews. He was also speaking [08:05] at this commission and he addressed this [08:07] issue of like people, and this is real [08:09] gaslighting where anytime you criticize [08:12] people, you disagree with them, you push [08:14] back. Candace Owens has a podcast. [08:16] Tucker Carlson has a podcast. So when [08:18] they get criticized for saying [08:20] anti-Semitic things, everyone claims [08:23] that they're trying to cancel them. This [08:25] was a fantastic response on the issue. [08:28] Now, the question that Shabas was asked [08:30] had to do with anti-Semitic speech on [08:34] college campuses. But take a look. He [08:36] was brilliant here. [08:38] >> Manner restrictions. There fighting [08:39] words. There's incitement to violence. [08:41] There's harassment. help us think [08:44] through what's on what side of the line. [08:47] >> Okay, this is actually my favorite [08:48] question. I really like talking about [08:49] this is like Christmas morning for me. [08:50] Okay. Um there are two there are two [08:52] ways. Sorry, Hanukkah morning for me. Um [08:55] [laughter] [08:55] there are two totally confused there for [08:58] just don't tell my rabbi I said that. Um [09:01] there there are two ways of answering [09:02] the question. I want to first focus on [09:04] Harvard University and then broadly [09:06] apply that to the American legal system. [09:07] So, I find it really remarkable that the [09:09] attacks on American Jews, myself and I [09:11] in particular, have been that we're [09:12] trying to silence free speech. I find [09:13] that remarkable because on our college [09:15] campuses, the only people who have ever [09:17] silenced our classrooms, who've [09:18] disrupted our learning, were those [09:20] calling for an inifat. I cannot point to [09:22] a single Jewish student on a single [09:23] American campus who drew swastikas at [09:25] the Muslim Student Association, who [09:27] threw rocks through dorm buildings, who [09:29] uh pitched encampments in the middle of [09:30] the quad and disrupted lectures. I can't [09:32] point to a single one. Unfortunately, I [09:34] could point to almost every single [09:35] anti-Israel group on a college campus. [09:37] The second point as it pertains to [09:38] Harvard University is there was a study [09:40] but done by the Foundation for [09:41] Individual Rights and Expressions four [09:43] years ago. FIRE and FIRE ranked 248 [09:46] American universities as to how well [09:47] they committed themselves to free speech [09:49] and the first amendment. Out of 248 [09:51] American universities, Harvard was [09:52] ranked 248th. They were ranked dead [09:55] last. This is an institution that when [09:57] you enroll as a freshman, you have [09:59] mandatory training where you are told [10:00] that fat phobia, that sizm, and that [10:03] abbleism are grounds for discipline. You [10:05] are told that words are violent. And in [10:07] fact, the former president of Harvard [10:09] University, Claudine Gay, was [10:10] instrumental in demoting an [10:12] African-American professor for coming [10:13] out against Black Lives Matter. They [10:15] fired a another professor from uh [10:17] fulfilling his legal obligations and [10:20] representing an objectionable client. [10:22] They disinvited a controversial speaker [10:23] who was deemed transphobic. They [10:25] unenrolled 12 admitted students who uh [10:27] had posted a sexist meme on a private [10:29] WhatsApp group, which is really [10:31] remarkable because Harvard has zero [10:32] track record or history of protecting or [10:35] even trying to pretend to promote free [10:37] speech. The only time they suddenly had [10:38] an interest was when Claudine Gay [10:40] randomly said that she wished she could [10:42] protect American Jewish students, but [10:43] she has this newfound commitment to free [10:45] speech in the First Amendment, which is [10:46] objectively not true when you look at [10:48] the history of Harvard University. [10:49] Having said that though, and I want to [10:50] be absolutely clear because I get [10:52] attacked for things that I have not [10:53] said. You have a right to say things [10:56] that are hateful. There is no legal [10:58] distinction between free speech and hate [11:00] speech. Hate speech is absolutely free [11:01] speech and students should be allowed to [11:03] call for an inifat. Students should be [11:05] allowed to call for the freeing of [11:06] Palestine from the river to they should [11:08] be allowed to do those things. The [11:10] problem is is the double standard. So [11:12] Harvard University will tell students [11:14] from day one there are certain things [11:16] you can't say. So you cannot uh engage [11:19] in sizm whatever that is. You cannot [11:21] engage in abbleism. You cannot engage in [11:23] fat phobia. But the only exception they [11:25] make is anti-semitism. So all we are [11:27] asking for is a standard that is applied [11:30] equally. If you want to say that all [11:32] speech is fine, then great. I would be [11:34] in favor of that. Students should be [11:36] allowed to call for an inifat. But if [11:37] you want to make the distinction that we [11:39] will unenroll you if you are a sexist, [11:41] but we will promote you if you are an [11:43] anti-semite. What we are calling out is [11:45] not the speech. What we are calling out [11:46] is the hypocrisy. You have a right in [11:48] America to hate Jews. I don't recommend [11:50] it, but you can do it. You should be [11:52] able to exercise that right. And this [11:54] goes into a broader theological problem [11:55] that I think our country is facing, [11:57] which is if young people in particular, [11:59] which coach he brought this up. If they [12:01] truly believe that I will never get [12:02] ahead in life, I will never have a [12:04] successful relationship. I will never [12:05] get a good paying job or find a wife [12:07] because something something the Jews, [12:08] then they will tap out of society. They [12:10] will give up their role in building a [12:12] better life for themselves and for their [12:14] community. That's why I care so much [12:15] about anti-semitism. Not because it's [12:17] mean words to me. I mean, I don't like [12:18] the death threats, but it's more so [12:20] because I recognize that this is [12:21] fundamentally a cancer for Gen Z and Gen [12:24] Z men in particular. If they truly [12:26] believe that there is a cabal of Jews [12:28] who control their lives, then it is no [12:29] wonder they have higher rates of [12:31] depression, higher rates of anxiety, and [12:33] engage, whether it's in the far left or [12:35] in the far uh right, in actual violence. [12:37] That's why it is so problematic. It's [12:39] not merely a Jewish problem. It is a [12:41] profoundly and uniquely American problem [12:43] as well. [12:46] Wow, that was outstanding there by [12:49] Chavez Kesnbound. Uh, like I said, I'm [12:52] I'm very impressed and I'm proud to say [12:54] that he's someone that I know and and uh [12:56] I have a lot of respect for him for [12:57] everything that he's done. He's a young [12:59] guy and look, bottom line is this. It, [13:03] you know, Justice Chavez said it. I love [13:04] the way he put it there. Look, I don't [13:06] recommend you being an anti-semite. If [13:08] you hate the Jews, it it's not going to [13:10] make us feel guilty that you don't like [13:13] us or accuse us of things. Okay? It's [13:14] not going to make us feel like less less [13:18] proud to be Jewish. Okay? Enough. It [13:20] it's your problem if you don't like Jews [13:23] and it's going to lead you down a bad [13:24] path and it's going to destroy your [13:26] society. This is a lesson that has been [13:28] learned over and over again. Maybe [13:30] that's part of the problem here is that [13:31] people don't learn enough history. And [13:34] again, no one's trying to cancel anyone. [13:37] No, we're not trying to cancel voices. [13:39] We're simply calling them out for what [13:41] they are. So, if you're going to if [13:43] you're going to traffic in Jewish [13:44] conspiracy theories and talk about, you [13:46] know, individual lines taken out of [13:48] context in the Talmud that nobody pays [13:50] attention to anyway, you know, something [13:53] that was said, you know, 2,000 years ago [13:56] about non-Jews by one opinion in the [13:59] Talmud that they said something [14:00] disparaging. Well, I could show you a [14:02] laundry list of statements in early [14:05] Christian writings from the same time [14:07] period talking about Jews as pigs and [14:09] goats and and and devil worshippers. [14:13] Are we going to start going into ancient [14:15] texts to see what was written by [14:17] different opinions that don't have any [14:19] impact on how people behave or think [14:21] today? [14:22] It's it's absurd. It's absurd this [14:25] anti-semitism stuff. But I also want to [14:27] point out that this Carrie Prejan who [14:29] asked the original question to Seth [14:30] Dylan. She also at one point challenged [14:32] Shabas Kenbalam during during the [14:34] testimony during the hearing. She's one [14:37] of these new Catholics, right? She's one [14:39] of these people who was, you know, she [14:40] was raised evangelical and then she had [14:42] some some rough patches in life. She got [14:45] into trouble with the with the MissUSA [14:47] pageant for making a sex tape and [14:49] there's all whatever. There's all sorts [14:50] of stuff about her. But recently she [14:53] became a Catholic and um this is a trend [14:55] and again I work in the field of Jewish [14:57] Christian relations. There's there's [14:59] this whole trend on the right now of new [15:01] Catholics. These new these people who [15:03] are new to the Catholic faith who are [15:06] who are [15:08] uniquely susceptible to a lot of this [15:10] anti-Jewish stuff. Um and that's [15:13] something that needs to be needs to be [15:15] talked about and teased out. Maybe we'll [15:16] make a separate video about that. [15:19] Anyway, uh so yeah, again, kudos to Seth [15:22] Dylan and to Shabas Kenbomb for, you [15:24] know, laying it out there. Uh and, uh I [15:27] hope you're enjoying the I hope you [15:28] enjoyed the video. I hope you found it [15:30] interesting. Please like, share, [15:31] subscribe, all that good stuff. And of [15:34] course, keep checking out everything [15:36] that we're doing over at Israel 365.
