Transcript [00:00] Elika Bon is a an attorney who's also an [00:04] outspoken activist and outspoken [00:06] anti-Iranian regime activist. She's [00:09] British-born, but she's of Iranian [00:10] descent. And she was just on the [00:13] Konstantin Kissin podcast, the Trigger [00:16] Nominee podcast, I think it's called. [00:18] And they were talking about regime [00:20] change. And it's a topic we haven't [00:22] touched on in some recent videos. And [00:24] Konstantin said some things that I'd [00:25] like to respond to. She also said some [00:27] things I'd like to respond to. So, let's [00:29] just get right to this clip. We'll watch [00:32] it and then I have some things to say [00:34] about where we are in terms of the [00:36] Iranian people and the big question of [00:40] regime change. So, let's hit it. I think [00:42] everybody understands and anticipates [00:44] that they [00:45] very well might not come home. [00:47] But what else do you do? And then the [00:49] only other option is is outside help. [00:51] And now outside help is like the worst [00:53] thing that you could possibly do because [00:55] this is [00:56] American imperialism and Israel's plan [00:58] for great great uh Israel great free [01:01] Iran or whatever the hell it is. So, [01:02] it's like it's like we're fighting a [01:04] battle on so many fronts. And it's just [01:07] it's impossible. [01:09] Well, that's kind of what I'm saying. [01:11] I'm not sure that this can get solved [01:13] the way that people want and therefore [01:15] encouraging more people to rise up [01:17] against the regime. I to take your [01:19] point, look, if I was living in an [01:20] authoritarian country and I felt the [01:21] regime was evil, I'd rise up against it. [01:23] And look, it'd be up to me, do I get [01:25] killed or not, whatever. [01:26] But from outside, I'm worried the [01:30] the administration [01:32] and others have called for people to [01:35] rise up only [01:38] for them to be killed for nothing. [01:39] >> But I think that it's they're killed for [01:41] nothing if if there isn't if everything [01:44] isn't locked in place, right? I think if [01:46] you have the war, which is, you know, [01:48] decapitating the regime, if you have [01:51] protesters who are coordinated in rising [01:53] up, if they are armed, if there are [01:56] defections, if they [01:58] because that point of defection almost [02:00] always happens where it seems that the [02:02] instability is at a tipping point, that [02:04] it could go one way or the other. And [02:05] then then then there's personal stakes. [02:07] There's personal stakes where it's like, [02:09] okay, this is going this way, so I'm [02:10] going to this how how it's always been [02:12] with regime change, right? And we even [02:14] saw with Syria, like it was 11 days. [02:16] Nobody could have Everybody said, oh, [02:18] this brutal regime, decades-long Assad [02:19] regime, there's no way that this is [02:21] coming down. But somehow it did. I think [02:24] the mistake [02:24] >> a brutal civil war that lasted God knows [02:28] how long and killed hundreds of [02:29] thousands of people. Now, do we want [02:31] that for Iran? [02:32] >> No, but that when when it came down, it [02:33] was in 11 days. But but you had to have [02:36] the civil war first. [02:37] >> Yeah. I mean, we've we've basically had [02:40] I mean, we've basically had the worst of [02:42] it as far as I'm concerned. I just think [02:45] I think what doesn't make sense is to [02:47] half half-ass these things. That's what [02:49] I think doesn't make sense. I don't [02:50] think it makes sense to have a war and [02:52] to not be sort of collaborating with [02:55] with people like Reza Pahlavi or, you [02:57] know, collaborating in ways that can [02:59] help make the protest successful. [03:03] Maybe if it involves arming, I don't [03:05] know, something that involves defection. [03:07] I just think that this needs to be a [03:09] covered in much much a broad much more [03:12] broad way for it to work. [03:15] And also, look, nobody's ever really [03:17] been honest about what it takes to turn [03:19] a country that is authoritarian [03:22] to a country which is a liberal [03:24] Western-style democracy. For example, [03:26] take Venezuela. My family have been [03:29] involved in protest time and time and [03:31] time again, going out on the streets, [03:33] demonstrating. [03:35] But what we have in Venezuela is [03:37] something called the colectivos, and [03:38] they're essentially Chavistas or the the [03:40] regime's armed thugs. And they suppress. [03:44] In order for you to gain freedom, you [03:46] need to get rid of all the colectivos. [03:49] In the Iranian case, it's the IRGC. [03:51] >> Yeah. [03:51] And I think what this really speaks to [03:53] is how much ideology can really destroy [03:57] nations, right? So, you you talk about [03:59] socialistic dictatorships, Islamistic [04:01] dictatorships. In either case, these are [04:04] people who are convinced to the death of [04:06] them that their ideology is the right [04:08] ideology, even in the face of of of [04:10] contradictory evidence, right? With [04:12] socialism, I mean, it's the worst [04:13] ideology in human history. Basically, [04:16] the deadliest ideology in human history. [04:17] And you see that these people are are so [04:19] totalized in their worldview that they [04:22] are willing to live and die to maintain [04:24] that system. It's the same with [04:26] Islamism, right? I think to push back on [04:28] what you're saying, Elika, I think [04:29] Islamism is actually far worse. So, I [04:31] take what happened in Venezuela with [04:33] Delcy Rodriguez. Now, people talk about [04:35] regime change, but Delcy was an integral [04:37] part of Maduro's government. But, you [04:41] know, you talk about socialism and all [04:42] the rest of it, she's not that [04:44] ideological cuz she was happy to kick [04:46] him to the curb and become leader [04:47] herself. Cuz what she's really [04:49] interested in is power and status and [04:52] the money. Whereas, you look at, you [04:54] know, some of the lads in charge of [04:56] Iran, [04:57] you [snorts] know, they [04:59] you they they They they really believe [05:01] >> Yeah, you know, they [05:02] you know, they're true believers. [05:03] >> They are true believers. [05:05] >> Yeah. They are true believers and that's [05:07] why that's why and [05:09] really to me speaks to how much and I I [05:12] guess this is why I have such a hard [05:14] time now in the world that we're in [05:16] where radicalization is happening [05:17] because it's like I know the story of [05:20] the other end of that so well, right? [05:21] Once that radicalization is entrenched, [05:23] you can't convince you can't [05:26] push back on them. There's nothing you [05:27] can do because in their minds, they have [05:29] this story, right? This is my fight. [05:31] This is my fight and God wants me to [05:33] fight this and to defeat the bad people [05:35] to bring the good things to the world. [05:37] And it's like you see what you're [05:39] bringing to the world. You see this is [05:40] just death and destruction. Oh, but [05:41] they're martyrs. They're martyrs for a [05:43] great cause. There's always some way to [05:46] spin it in your mind. And so, it's just [05:48] that's really what we're looking at. [05:49] We're looking at an ideology that [05:51] refuses to leave Iran. And it's like, [05:53] how do you kill an ideology? [05:56] Well, [05:58] if you look at history, the only way of [05:59] doing it, if you look at Japan or [06:01] Germany, is to essentially decimate the [06:04] country, bring it to its knees, and then [06:07] and then have a process of [06:08] de-radicalization like we did with [06:10] Germany. [06:10] >> And then that's why I'm worried about [06:12] this conflict, Elika, because we're not [06:14] going to do that, right? And no one's [06:16] advocating for that. And that means, you [06:19] know, some of the conversations we've [06:20] had while we've been here, it's likely [06:22] that you end up in the trap where you [06:25] are not prepared to do the actual thing [06:27] that you need to do cuz it's terrible. [06:30] Like what we did to Germany and Japan [06:31] was awful. You you don't want to do that [06:33] to Iran. But that means you don't have [06:37] a way of achieving your objectives. You [06:39] don't have a way of getting rid of the [06:40] nuclear material. They've taken it, [06:42] they've dispersed it. We don't know [06:43] where it is. You're not going to get it [06:44] with air strikes. [06:47] And now also, the other thing is they've [06:50] got control over the, you know, a hell [06:52] of a lot of oil, gas, fertilizer, [06:54] helium, etc. [06:56] And there are a lot of people are now [06:57] saying, actually, they've got all the [06:59] Trump cards. [07:02] I mean, [07:04] I don't know. I feel like they've [07:05] they've had all the cards for the past [07:06] 47 years. I just wonder where this goes. [07:08] Do you know what I mean? Like at some [07:10] point this regime has to fall. But when [07:11] is it going to fall? [07:13] >> It can't last forever. [07:14] >> Why? [07:15] >> Nothing lasts forever. Okay. [07:17] Sure. [07:18] >> British Empire didn't last forever. [07:20] >> Oh, I'm very sad now. And [laughter] and [07:22] and that pretty much owned the whole [07:23] world. But I I You see what I'm saying [07:26] though? Like it could last another 50 [07:27] years. [07:28] >> Iran, you have this like really old [07:30] kind of a nation-state that is unified [07:33] behind language, behind a flag, behind [07:35] culture, behind all of these things. You [07:37] don't We don't want a foreign-imposed [07:39] government. That's not what This is not [07:41] Iraq. We want Well, you do though. [07:45] You do want a foreign-imposed [07:46] government. [07:46] >> No, we don't want a foreign-imposed [07:47] government. Well, if you cause regime [07:51] change and then replace it with one of [07:52] your puppets, which is what you want to [07:54] happen. [07:55] >> No, that's not what we want to happen. [07:56] >> Okay, maybe I'm misunderstanding. [07:57] >> Reza Pahlavi is only a transitional [07:59] leader. So, this has been articulated so [08:02] many times. I don't know why people [08:03] don't get this. He's a transitional [08:04] leader that comes into the country once [08:06] the regime falls to facilitate moving [08:09] the country into a democracy where [08:10] people can vote for their own leader. [08:13] What if they vote for an Islamist [08:14] regime? Well, no one's going to vote for [08:16] an Islamist regime because we know the [08:18] statistics of what people favor. Oh, [08:20] okay. I I actually don't. What are the [08:22] statistics? [08:22] >> Um 90% of people in Iran are against it. [08:25] Against the regime? [08:26] >> Against the regime. Um Wait, how do we [08:28] know that? [08:29] >> Uh because there's studies like the [08:30] GAMAAN study, which is in I think the [08:33] Netherlands conducted, and it speaks to [08:35] people inside Iran, obviously, [08:37] anonymously. And they collect data about [08:39] their public sentiments. And um [08:43] they they say that [08:46] um 90% or is it 85% or 90%? [08:50] Um there's 10% that support the regime. [08:53] Still, it's a country of 90 million. [08:55] Still a lot. Mhm. And uh like [08:57] >> And they have the guns. But your point [08:58] about 90% is very powerful. I mean, [09:00] we've had people on the show uh Aimen [09:02] Dean, who's a a former Al-Qaeda MI6 [09:05] double agent, for example. He can't He I [09:07] mean, he gave a very different [09:08] assessment of it, which was like 25% [09:10] people support the regime, 25% hate the [09:13] regime. [09:14] To me, for I'll give you an [09:16] similar example for Russia, which which [09:18] is easy for me to explain. So, I am [09:20] someone who's a fierce critic of the [09:22] Russian regime in the way that you are a [09:23] fierce critic of the Iranian regime. But [09:26] I would not say that I know what [09:29] percentage of people in Russia vote for [09:31] >> don't know. Because nobody does. [09:33] >> Yeah, but you can you absolutely can [09:35] have a fair assessment about the [09:37] sentiments of a country through [09:38] extensive polling over time. And for the [09:40] past 46 decades, repeatedly polls have [09:44] shown that it's a very high percentage, [09:46] almost 90% of of Iranians who are [09:49] against this regime. And it's I just [09:51] think it's just like who would want Who [09:54] would like this regime? It just it's You [09:56] do have this minority, of course you [09:58] have a minority of extremists, but this [10:00] is where it's like you you do not know [10:03] Iranians if you think that that's who [10:04] the majority of Iranians are. They don't [10:07] identify that way. They don't identify [10:09] with Islamic extremism. It's not part of [10:12] our culture. It's not part of our [10:13] cultural personality. It's just it's so [10:16] it's so obvious to us that when people [10:18] ask these questions, it's like [10:21] we even give you the statistics, right? [10:23] We even give you the polls. [10:25] But it's like people just believe what [10:26] they want to believe. I don't know what [10:27] to tell you. It's not a country that's [10:29] 50% Islamist radicalists. It's just this [10:32] not who the Iranian people are. [10:33] >> Oh, sure. No, no, I'm I'm certainly not [10:35] saying that. But I I again, example from [10:38] my own experience which sort of makes it [10:40] easier for me to think about these [10:41] things. The Soviet Union was deeply [10:43] unpopular by the time it collapsed. But [10:45] that doesn't mean that 90% of people [10:47] living in the Soviet Union were opposed [10:49] to the Soviet Union. I think [10:50] >> You know, if you took a poll in the [10:52] Soviet Union around the time that it [10:53] actually collapsed and there was regime [10:55] change, there was still a ton of people [10:58] who supported it. It just became [11:00] weakened economically and morally and in [11:03] other ways. But to me, when someone says [11:05] 90% of people in a country agree on [11:07] something, that to me you may be right. [11:10] I'm not disputing it. I'm just saying to [11:12] me that's a bit of an alarm bell because [11:14] that seems It's not an alarm bell. [11:16] >> unprecedented. [11:19] All right. [11:22] Let's talk about this video here. [11:23] There's a lot in this. I just want to go [11:25] through [11:26] quickly. [11:28] So first of all, there's that issue of [11:31] you know, the protesters went out, they [11:33] got killed. They're going to get killed [11:35] again. You know, is it can they really [11:38] stand up to the Basij and the IRGC? [11:41] So there's something here that [11:42] Constantine is missing. [11:44] I pointed this out on a different video [11:46] that I did about his comments on Iran [11:48] and and uh [11:50] he's talking [11:52] as though nothing has changed during the [11:54] course of this war. And let's remember [11:56] that the Basij and the IRGC have been [11:58] greatly greatly degraded. [12:01] They have There are Israeli drones and [12:04] and aircraft and potentially also uh [12:08] helicopters. We don't even know what's [12:09] there. And this gets to another point [12:11] which I'll get to in a moment about what [12:12] we know about this war. [12:16] The Israelis have indicated they [12:18] basically said [12:19] Netanyahu said this, our defense [12:22] minister said this, I think our foreign [12:23] minister said this, that when the time [12:27] comes for the protesters to come back [12:28] out into the street, [12:30] the Israelis will be providing air cover [12:33] for them. There will not be any ability [12:36] to massacre them. Oh, why haven't they [12:38] come out into the street yet? They [12:39] haven't come out into the street yet [12:41] because there's no reason for them to [12:43] come out into the street yet. There's no [12:45] good reason for them to. [12:47] What do you mean? Well, what I mean is [12:49] that the Israelis and the Americans. The [12:51] Americans are more focused on Hormuz [12:54] on the on the on the shipping lanes, but [12:56] the Israelis predominantly have been [12:58] attacking them and attacking them and [13:00] attacking them. Every single day the [13:02] regime gets weaker and weaker. There's [13:04] no reason for the Iranian people to come [13:06] out into the street before they're at [13:08] their weakest possible point. The worst [13:10] outcome of this war, the worst outcome [13:13] for the Iranian people, I've said this [13:15] many times, you might have heard me say [13:16] it. The worst outcome is if the Iranian [13:18] people came out too early while the what [13:21] what remains of the regime can still [13:24] murder them and suppress them. So [13:26] there's no reason for them to come out [13:27] yet, but when they do come out, when the [13:29] time comes, they will have air cover. [13:31] They will be protected. Okay, that is [13:33] something that you can expect will [13:35] happen. And as for the issue of [13:37] defectors, there have been defectors. We [13:39] know about this. [13:41] Um and you know, and and has it been [13:45] widespread? We don't know. And this gets [13:46] into a big issue about this war and it [13:49] relates directly [13:50] maybe most importantly to the whole [13:52] issue of regime change on the ground. [13:54] And that is that because there's no real [13:57] ground operation going on, [13:59] it's this is a war that's been entirely [14:01] fought from the air and at sea. [14:05] And put that fact together with [14:10] the lockdown, the blackout on internet [14:13] that the regime imposed immediately when [14:15] the war broke out. And they've been very [14:18] strict about it. There are a few people [14:19] who have Starlink. People within the [14:22] regime have the ability have some [14:24] internet and that's why you're getting a [14:26] skewed picture, you're getting a lot of [14:27] propaganda coming. [14:29] But the the fact that there's no ground [14:31] invasion also means that we don't have [14:33] journalists embedded with US or Israeli [14:36] forces cuz there are no US and Israeli [14:38] forces [14:40] going in. [14:41] So this is a very strange war in the [14:43] sense that we actually don't have any [14:47] good picture of what's going on on the [14:49] ground. So we don't know what the story [14:51] is with the Iranian people here. Okay? [14:53] And anyone who claims they do, they [14:56] whatever. They're maybe they have some [14:58] little snippets that they're building [15:00] up. We don't know what's going on on the [15:02] ground. We know what what went on on the [15:03] ground before the war and we saw the [15:05] massive widespread protests. We saw tens [15:08] of thousands of people being murdered by [15:10] the regime. Many, many more injured. And [15:14] and millions of people in the streets. [15:15] We understand what that means. [15:17] Okay? So [15:19] you know, to say that you know, it seems [15:21] like oh, there's nothing happening with [15:22] the regime change, we don't know. [15:25] Okay? Now, [15:27] they got into this issue of the of [15:29] you have to deradicalize the population [15:31] and then and then Elika, that's her [15:33] name, pushed back and said no, you don't [15:34] because the Iranian people are really [15:36] opposed to the regime. They started [15:37] talking about statistics and Constantine [15:39] was being very skeptical. You're telling [15:40] me 90% of the people don't support the [15:42] regime. Who knows where that number [15:44] really is. [15:46] It is really about 10% of the population [15:48] that is regime affiliated. If you take [15:50] the Basij and the IRGC and their [15:52] families and all the people supported by [15:54] the regime, that really is about 10% of [15:57] the population. [15:59] There could be more supporters. We There [16:01] There's it's it's you know, before the [16:04] war broke out, before the protests that [16:06] led to this war broke out, we know that [16:09] the a lot of the shopkeepers were more [16:11] religious and and a little bit had a [16:12] little bit more allegiance to the [16:14] regime. We don't actually know. But what [16:16] are good indicators? So there's an [16:17] indicator [16:19] which I believe is an is an excellent [16:21] indicator of support for the regime. [16:25] Let me just bring it up here. First of [16:27] all, before we do that, this is a good [16:29] time to remind you to [16:31] go to Israel365charity.com [16:34] and support the work that we're doing [16:36] there. There's a lot of people in Israel [16:38] who are [16:39] especially families, young families who [16:42] are struggling with everything that's [16:43] gone on with the holidays and with the [16:46] with the air strikes. There are people [16:48] who've lost property, who they have [16:50] death and injury in the family, people [16:52] who can't work. [16:53] Um and and many, many more problems, [16:56] emotional issues. And and the social [16:59] services and the charities on the ground [17:00] are very much stretched thin. Israel365 [17:03] is plugged in with a lot of the best [17:05] people on the ground. And if [17:07] so please go to Israel365charity.com, [17:09] click Israel under fire or scroll down [17:11] to the to the current projects where [17:14] you'll find Israel at war. And you could [17:17] help us support uh all the needs that [17:20] are going on in the Israeli home front. [17:21] But the stat I want to show you is this. [17:24] This is a story from 2023, just a few [17:27] years ago. [17:28] Um [17:29] and here's what it is. [17:32] Mohammad [17:34] Abolghasem Doulabi, a senior cleric [17:38] for the Iranian regime, for the Iranian [17:39] president, delivered a speech to a group [17:42] of religious students. [17:44] Like in a seminary in Iran. [17:46] And he stated that 50,000 of Iran's [17:50] 70,000 mosques have closed. [17:55] They've closed. [17:57] People are deserting. It even says here. [18:00] He indicated that Muslims were deserting [18:02] the mosques. [18:04] You follow that? [18:05] 50,000 of 75,000 mosques. That doesn't [18:09] mean the other ones are packed. [18:11] Or that their attendance hasn't dropped. [18:13] Understand what this means though. [18:16] This is massively significant. He [18:18] revealed it again, I don't think he [18:19] meant it to get out to Western media. He [18:22] was talking to a group of of of [18:23] students. [18:25] But he was pointing out that there's a [18:26] crisis of Islam in Tehran. And this is [18:29] in 2023, before this last round of [18:32] protests and all the other destruction [18:34] and economic collapse that the regime [18:36] brought on Iran in the last few years. [18:39] It's gotten way, way worse. That's why [18:41] there were these mass protests. [18:43] Two-thirds of the mosques in Iran [18:45] closed. [18:47] That is an indication. That's even [18:50] better than polling. Cuz polling is a [18:52] sample size and you extract it out. This [18:54] isn't a sample size. This is a pure [18:56] number about mosques. [18:58] So Elika's not far off. The Iranian [19:00] people are not going to need to be [19:02] deradicalized. And also, if you watch [19:03] the Middle East closely, and I don't [19:04] believe that Constantine does. I I've [19:06] said this before. I mean, he's a great [19:08] guy. I I respect him. He's very smart. [19:11] He's he's brilliant. [19:13] But when it comes to these issues of [19:14] Islam in the Middle East, he needs to [19:17] read more. He needs to understand more [19:18] the realities that are happening. If you [19:20] watch Iran closely, and I've been [19:21] watching this closely as I can from a [19:23] distance [19:24] for years, [19:26] you know that the Iranian people are not [19:29] with the regime. Yes, there are some who [19:31] are. As she says, of course there's a [19:32] minority that are. But you're not going [19:34] to need to deradicalize the Iranian [19:36] population afterwards. [19:38] Um it's also worth noting [19:41] in terms of where Trump is leaning on [19:42] this thing. There's this fear that Trump [19:44] is going to leave. Look at this [19:45] statement from Trump. This just came out [19:46] yesterday. [19:48] Um talking about the negotiations. [19:51] Look what it says here. US President [19:52] Donald Trump told Channel 12 that he was [19:54] not going to leave in the middle of the [19:56] war and also said that his [19:58] administration is in deep negotiations [20:00] with Iran to reach a ceasefire. He said [20:03] that his top Middle East envoys, Steve [20:05] Woodcock and Jared Kushner, are the [20:06] point men for ongoing contacts with [20:08] Iran. Two sources briefed on the talks [20:10] tell the outlet that there are two [20:12] channels of communication, one through [20:14] Pakistan, Egypt, and Turkey and the [20:17] other through direct text messages [20:18] between Woodcock, Kushner, and Iranian [20:21] Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi. The [20:23] foreign ministers from the mediating [20:25] countries are trying to get the sides to [20:27] agree on a series of measures that will [20:29] enable Trump to push off his deadline. [20:32] They held phone calls yesterday with [20:33] Kushner and Woodcock. Okay. But look [20:36] what it says at the end. [20:39] Asked whether he's concerned about [20:41] harming civilians in Iran whom he wants [20:44] to rise up who who want whom he wants to [20:47] rise up and topple the regime, [20:49] Trump says that they're living in fear. [20:51] Quote, "They're afraid we're going to [20:54] leave in the middle of the war, but we [20:56] are not going to leave," he says. [20:59] In other words, [21:00] what Trump is saying is that we are [21:02] going to see this through. I believe [21:04] personally [21:05] that from everything Trump was saying [21:07] before the war, [21:09] from everything he was saying about uh [21:11] how no other president has dealt with [21:13] this and how important it is to you know [21:16] to have a change and for 47 years we've [21:18] you know the whole world's been [21:19] terrorized by this regime and other [21:20] presidents let it fester and I'm going [21:23] to deal with it. I can't imagine that [21:24] he's going to leave this thing with the [21:26] regime intact in with any ability to [21:30] continue to oppress its people. It [21:32] doesn't make any sense. Okay? So I think [21:35] that there's a little bit of looking at [21:37] other regime change situations or like [21:39] Constantine's looking at the Soviet [21:40] Union and assuming that there's a [21:42] similarity here that there isn't [21:43] necessarily. He also brought up this [21:45] idea of the oh well, we haven't seized [21:48] the nuclear material. And people are [21:49] talking about this. [21:51] The the enriched uranium, wherever it [21:53] is, the nuclear material is only [21:55] important to get a hold of if the regime [21:57] stays in power. That should be an [21:59] obvious point. [22:01] It should be an obvious point. Besides [22:02] the fact that I'm not so concerned about [22:03] it anyway because look, the Israelis and [22:05] the Americans are not giving up the air [22:07] dominance. They're not giving up the [22:09] gains that they've made destroying all [22:11] the all the manufacturing, the [22:13] infrastructure to produce weapons. [22:16] They're not giving that up so fast. So [22:17] to me it's not such an urgent issue. [22:20] Um and as for the a fear of an imposed [22:23] foreign government, uh you know, Elika [22:26] said, "Well, we're not going to have an [22:27] imposed government." And here's where [22:28] I'm going to back off of Elika's [22:30] position here. [22:31] She was saying, "Well, we're not going [22:32] to have a foreign government imposed. [22:34] We're going to have Reza Pahlavi come [22:35] in. He's going to be a transitional [22:36] figure. We're going to have a free [22:38] Western democracy." Not so fast. Not so [22:41] fast. Remember, Trump is still eyeing [22:44] this this Venezuela model. That's why [22:46] he's negotiating with Abbas Araghchi, [22:48] the foreign minister. If you really want [22:49] to just destroy the regime, kill them [22:51] all, wipe them out, bring down the [22:52] regime, but Trump is still going after [22:55] this Venezuela model where he's going to [22:57] work with some people from the regime [22:59] and uh you know, in the Venezuela style. [23:03] I don't think it's going to work in the [23:04] end. I don't think it's going to [23:05] actually happen. [23:07] Um [23:08] but that's not going to be a foreign [23:09] imposed government cuz you're still [23:11] going to have you're still you're still [23:14] going to have the air coverage to the [23:15] protesters. You're still going to have [23:16] the Americans and the Israelis making [23:18] sure that Iran is not a threat to its [23:20] own people. How exactly this plays out, [23:23] I don't know. [23:24] But I'm going to go back to what I said [23:26] earlier. We don't know what's actually [23:29] happening on the ground there with the [23:30] Iranian people. [23:32] But we do know that they have it in [23:36] massive massive numbers, they have [23:39] departed from the Islamic ideology [23:42] that the regime puts forward. This is [23:44] not like Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan [23:46] where the population where [23:49] where the population was also [23:51] indoctrinated and was with them. [23:53] Germans loved Hitler. [23:56] Japanese people loved the Hirohito [23:58] regime. They had to be deprogrammed. I [24:00] agree with Elika here. You're not going [24:02] to have to deprogram [24:04] the Iranian people when when this is all [24:06] said and done. [24:07] Um [24:08] again, we don't know what it's going to [24:09] look like, uh but we also don't know a [24:12] whole lot about what's going on on the [24:14] ground. So that's that. I hope that I [24:16] hope you found this interesting. Please [24:17] drop me a comment. Let me know what you [24:18] thought of this video. Let me know what [24:20] you thought about what I said. Let me [24:22] Let me know what you think might happen [24:24] there in terms of in terms of the fall [24:26] of the regime. And uh we all have to [24:29] continue to pray pray every day for the [24:31] freedom of the Iranian people. God [24:34] bless.
