Transcript [00:00] Hamas has agreed to give up their [00:01] weapons. Now, you know, they were born [00:03] with a weapon in their hand. So, it's [00:04] not easy to do. When they were born, [00:06] they were born with a rifle in their [00:07] hand. It's not an easy thing for them, [00:09] but they that's what they agreed to. [00:11] They've got to do it. And we're going to [00:13] know, Jared, over the next two or three [00:16] days, certainly over the next three [00:18] weeks, whether or not they're going to [00:19] do it. If they don't do it, they're [00:20] going to have they'll be blown away very [00:21] quickly. Well, President Trump was in [00:24] Davos today at the World Economic Forum, [00:26] and as part of his remarks, he talked [00:29] about the fact that Hamas is set to lay [00:33] down its weapons as part of phase two of [00:36] his 20point plan in the Gaza Strip. [00:40] Let's have a look. [00:41] >> I do. I mean, I think we have peace in [00:43] the Middle East. There are some uh [00:45] little situations like Hamas and Hamas [00:49] has agreed to give up their weapons. [00:50] Now, you know, they were born with a [00:52] weapon in their hand, so it's not easy [00:53] to do. When they were born, they were [00:55] born with a rifle in their hand. It's [00:57] not an easy thing for them, but they [00:59] that's what they agreed to. They've got [01:00] to do it. And we're going to know, [01:02] Jared, over the next two or three days, [01:05] certainly over the next three weeks, [01:07] whether or not they're going to do it. [01:08] If they don't do it, they're going to [01:09] have they'll be blown away very quickly. [01:11] >> They'll be blown away very quickly, says [01:13] President Trump. Now, I'm not sure [01:15] exactly what he means by that because, [01:18] you know, one of the problems, the [01:21] biggest problem, the biggest hole in [01:23] President Trump's 20point plan is that [01:26] the plan itself says that Kamas will [01:30] disarm, although Kamas maintains that it [01:32] never agreed to that. We'll get to that [01:34] in a moment, but let's first take a look [01:35] at the plan itself. What does the plan [01:37] say? So, we look over at the 20point [01:41] plan. Um the first stage of the plan is [01:44] that Gaza will be dradicalized. It'll be [01:46] redeveloped. That's just laying out what [01:48] the idea behind the plan is. And then it [01:51] says if both sides agree to the [01:52] proposal, Israeli forces will withdraw [01:55] to an agreed upon line, which they have. [01:57] It's called the yellow line. It's about [01:59] it'll it leaves about 50% of the Gaza [02:02] Strip in Kamas's hands. And it says that [02:06] all the military operations are going to [02:08] be suspended and that all the hostages [02:10] will be released. Okay? And that Israel [02:12] will release his prisoners. And then [02:14] look what it says here. Once all [02:17] hostages are returned, kamas members who [02:19] commit to peaceful coexistence and to [02:22] decommission their weapons will be given [02:24] amnesty. So, it's saying that kamas [02:27] members who agree to stop being [02:29] jihadists and stop being violent, [02:31] they'll just give up their weapons. And [02:33] then later on in the in the 20point [02:36] plan, it mentions this again. It [02:37] mentions that they will be disarmed. And [02:40] this has been the biggest problem with [02:43] the Trump plan from the very beginning. [02:45] You see, right after it was announced, [02:48] um Trump was on Maria Barto Romo's show [02:51] on Fox News and he was asked who's going [02:53] to disarm Hamas. And he said, "Well, we [02:54] don't know. You know, maybe we'll do it. [02:56] Maybe the Israelis will do it." But then [02:58] shortly after that, Marco Rubio, [03:00] Secretary of State, was in Israel and he [03:02] was asked by reporters if Israel is [03:06] going to be the one to disarm Kamas. And [03:07] he said, "No, no, no, no, no. That can't [03:09] be because if Israel goes in and starts [03:11] attacking and taking away Hamas's [03:12] weapons, that's basically the end of the [03:14] ceasefire agreement. So, it can't be [03:16] them. And Jared Kushner and Steve [03:18] Witkoff were on 60 Minutes. And they [03:21] were asked by Leslie Stall, who is going [03:24] to disarm Hamas? And they said, well, [03:26] the International Stabilization Force is [03:28] going to do it. That's the force being [03:29] put together by all the different [03:30] countries who are part of the deal. But [03:33] but then King Abdullah of Jordan, who's [03:36] supposed to be overseeing one of the [03:38] overseeing countries of the [03:39] International Stabilization Force, was [03:41] on BBC being interviewed and he said, [03:43] "No, no, no, no, no. The International [03:45] Stabilization Force isn't supposed to [03:47] disarm Hamas. They're just supposed to [03:49] be a kind of security force after the [03:52] Gaza Strip is demilitarized." And of [03:54] course, Abdullah is absolutely correct. [03:57] If we go ahead and take a look at the um [04:00] at the 20point plan, we'll see that [04:02] where the international stabilization [04:03] force is introduced is all the way down [04:05] here [04:08] um is all the way down here in in number [04:10] 15. The United States will work with [04:12] Arab and international partners to [04:14] develop a temporary international [04:16] stabilization force to deploy in Gaza. [04:18] It will train and provide support to [04:20] vetted Palestinian police forces in [04:22] Gaza. It will consult with Jordan and [04:24] Egypt. uh and basically there'll be an [04:28] internal security solution. But the [04:30] disarming of kamas is mentioned in point [04:33] 13. Kamas and other factions agree to [04:36] not have any role in the governance of [04:38] Gaza directly, indirectly or in any [04:40] form. All military terror and offensive [04:43] infrastructure including tunnels and [04:44] weapons production facilities will be [04:46] destroyed and not rebuilt. There there [04:49] will be a process of demilitarization of [04:52] Gaza under the supervision of [04:54] independent monitors. Now look at this, [04:57] right? And it'll include placing weapons [05:00] permanently beyond the use uh through an [05:02] agreed process. Okay? Now, who's [05:04] supposed to do this? It doesn't say. It [05:06] just says there will be a [05:07] demilitarization. [05:09] There will be such a process. The [05:13] weapons will be placed beyond use [05:16] through an agreed upon process. It never [05:19] says who is supposed to disarm H kamas. [05:22] And President Trump insists as he did to [05:25] Maria Barard Roma right after the deal [05:27] was agreed to and also as he did today [05:30] in the World Economic Forum and he said [05:31] it a lot that kamas has agreed to [05:33] disarm. Well, here is a Hamas spokesman [05:38] on Sky News Australia right after the [05:42] deal was agreed to a few days later [05:44] explaining Kamas's position. And when he [05:46] said that they're not going to give up [05:48] their weapons, the the interviewer said [05:50] to him, "Wait a second." It's part of [05:51] the deal. Take a look at this clip. [05:53] >> Now, you're saying you don't want to and [05:56] you will not disarm [05:59] >> if you ask it directly. Yes, we we are [06:01] not going to to be disarmed as long as [06:04] we are not sure that this will lead by [06:06] any other means to have an independent [06:09] self-s sovereign state which is able to [06:12] defend itself. Second, uh there are [06:15] other modalities. [06:17] By the way, if if if the question this [06:20] question is is again unfair question, [06:23] this question has to be directed to the [06:25] aggressor to the criminal who committed [06:27] the genocide as you have done with the [06:30] Nazis after the World War II. Therefore, [06:33] it has [06:34] >> this is Dr. Basam, this this is part of [06:37] the deal though. This is written very [06:39] clearly as part of Donald. [06:41] >> We are not part of the whole deal. We [06:42] are We have again we we have accepted [06:46] the first phase which is including end [06:50] of the war uh prisoner exchange [06:54] withdrawal and uh aid other the rest of [06:59] the points is uh belonging to the whole [07:02] Palestinian uh political arena and all [07:05] other factions. they have to discuss it [07:07] together and to find ways how can we [07:11] move forward by our struggle for freedom [07:13] and independence. Uh during this time we [07:17] can find a lot of modalities to have uh [07:20] our uh to lie our weapons down to have a [07:24] a ceasefire 5 10 years to have a truce [07:29] uh to have a any way of of controlling [07:33] uh this portfolio. But again uh this is [07:39] a general right of Palestinian people [07:41] and no one can deny us if this question [07:44] has to be directed has to be directed to [07:46] the aggressor and he has to be disarmed. [07:49] It's [07:52] nuclear weapons chemical weapons [07:55] biological weapons which has been [07:58] already used in the Gaza Strip and other [08:00] areas during this war. Here he is, this [08:03] Basim Naim, this spokesman of Hamas, [08:05] saying quite clearly, "We're not part of [08:08] the deal. We never agreed to that. We [08:10] only agreed to phase one, which is the [08:11] prisoner exchange and the ceasefire and [08:13] an Israeli withdrawal, and we have no [08:15] intention of laying down our weapons." [08:17] So, they've been saying that all along, [08:19] and this is the biggest problem with [08:21] Trump's 20point plan, and why it's [08:23] really not moving forward. Now, I know [08:25] he's announced that it's going to be [08:26] phase two, but let's make things very [08:29] clear. Let's be let's be totally blunt. [08:32] Israel is not withdrawing beyond where [08:34] they are. They current Israel currently [08:36] controls 50% 53% of the Gaza Strip on [08:39] its side of the yellow line. On the [08:41] other side, you have Kamas. Hamas is [08:43] refusing to disarm. No one is stepping [08:46] up to the plate to say that they're [08:47] willing to do it. President Trump keeps [08:48] insisting that Kamas has agreed to [08:51] disarm, which they adamantly say that [08:53] they have not. President Trump also [08:56] keeps insisting that there are many [08:57] countries that are willing to disarm [08:59] Hamas. Although every country that is [09:01] asked says that they have no intention [09:03] of doing that. Disarming kamas means [09:06] going in with a firefight and fighting [09:09] them and taking away their weapons. [09:10] They're not going to lay down their [09:12] weapons. There's no peaceful way they're [09:13] going to lay them down and accept [09:15] amnesty like this plan calls for. So [09:18] this whole thing is really based on this [09:21] wishful thinking that kamas will disarm. [09:22] And until kamas is disarmed, no one is [09:25] going to invest in the Gaza Strip. There [09:28] isn't going to be a kind of technocratic [09:31] Palestinian peaceful authority that's [09:33] going to live side by side with Israel. [09:35] And Israel is not going to withdraw. So, [09:38] it's kind of a stalemate. I know [09:39] President Trump says that they're moving [09:41] forward, but until this disarmament [09:43] issue happens, and the only entity that [09:46] can disarm Hamas is the IDF, is the [09:48] Israelis. And until that happens, [09:51] nothing is going to move forward towards [09:53] any kind of peace. Now, it could be that [09:56] President Trump and his coalition of [09:58] peacemakers are going to start building [10:00] housing and creating civil services for [10:03] those gazins who are on the Israeli side [10:06] of the yellow line, which is a small [10:07] percentage of them. They could do that [10:09] and that's very nice and good. Go ahead [10:11] and do that. But there is no Hamas [10:14] disarmament. On the other hand, [10:16] President Trump just said that they're [10:17] going to get destroyed. They're going to [10:19] get blown away if they don't disarm. Who [10:22] does he think will do that? Is he [10:24] suggesting that the Israelis are going [10:25] to do that? Well, does that mean the end [10:27] of the ceasefire and the resumption of [10:29] the war? What exactly does President [10:31] does President Trump mean? Nobody knows.
