Transcript [00:00] So, I saw an interesting clip on Fox [00:02] News of Mark Leavvin interviewing N. [00:05] Gingrich about Iran. And in the course [00:07] of this uh short clip, they each said [00:10] something interesting that I want to [00:11] drill down on and share with you. So, [00:13] let's take a look at the clip and then I [00:15] will share my thoughts. Here we go. [00:18] Welcome back, America. We're here with [00:21] really one of the great statesmen, Nuke [00:22] Gingrich. Duke, let's cut right to the [00:25] chase here. Iran. [00:27] Uh, I remember Margaret Thatcher when it [00:30] came to Iraq and negotiations and all [00:32] and she said, "What's to negotiate [00:33] about? [00:35] What's to ne what what are we going to [00:37] negotiate?" My question to you is, and I [00:40] say this respectfully, what are we [00:41] negotiating about? This is a terrorist [00:43] regime that's slaughtering its own [00:45] people to stay in power, that has killed [00:47] Americans, uh, that supported u Iraq [00:50] against us and maimed Americans. It's an [00:53] ideological death cult that goes back to [00:55] the seventh century and they're not [00:57] going to stop being what they are, [00:58] whatever paper they sign. So [01:01] unless negotiations are a head fake, as [01:04] some people suggest, [01:07] why are we negotiating? Well, look, I [01:09] agree with you 100%. [01:11] Um, as recently as a couple weeks ago, [01:15] the Iranian parliament was chanting [01:18] death to America. Uh, and of course [01:21] they'll chant death to Israel. Now, as a [01:24] historian, my experience is when you [01:27] have a group of people chanting death to [01:29] you, uh, it's useful to assume they're [01:32] serious. Uh, and it's not just [01:34] propaganda or some strange psychological [01:37] language. So, we've had an experience of [01:41] being basically from their side, they've [01:44] been at war with us since 1979. [01:47] They're very clear about that. Uh we [01:50] were described by the original founder [01:53] Ayatollah Hmeni as the great Satan. Uh [01:56] Israel was the little Satan. Uh and his [01:59] position as a religious leader was that [02:02] the job of religious people is to [02:04] destroy Satan. Uh we have our elites [02:08] have tried desperately to avoid the [02:11] reality that this is an evil regime. [02:15] It's a regime which survives only by [02:17] killing its own people. It is dedicated [02:20] to the destruction of the United States [02:22] and the destruction of the West. Says so [02:25] openly. So I I don't understand why the [02:29] administration would meet with them [02:32] because it legitimizes the the regime. [02:34] Uh they were in real trouble a few weeks [02:36] ago. They only survived by killing [02:39] thousands of people. Uh President Trump [02:42] said, "You need to stop killing." They [02:44] didn't pay any attention. uh they [02:46] continued to kill people. They're [02:48] they're today continuing to kill people [02:51] and there's a practical reason. If they [02:54] quit killing people, they're going to [02:56] get overthrown. And so they want to stay [02:58] in power. So I'm with you. said, "I [03:01] think the only long-term strategy is to [03:03] encourage the people of Iran to take [03:06] back their own country, to dramatically [03:09] weaken the regime further, uh, and to [03:12] undermine its capacity for imposing [03:14] itself, uh, and ultimately I think we [03:17] can do that. So, I don't know why we [03:20] would meet with them, uh, which makes [03:23] them look like they're a legitimate [03:24] government." They're not. They're a [03:26] dictatorship dedicated to destroying the [03:29] United States. [03:30] >> You know, the isolationists like to talk [03:32] about wararm mongers, and I've coined a [03:34] word called diplomacy mongers. That is [03:38] uh people who think that we can talk our [03:40] way or they can talk their way into some [03:43] kind of an arrangement. I've also uh [03:47] presented a parallel example, not exact, [03:49] but good enough with North Korea. North [03:51] Korea did this for 20 years. They signed [03:53] any damn piece of paper. They got [03:55] subsidies. We tried to buy peace from [03:57] these people. And what is it? It is a [04:00] concentration camp with 50 nuclear [04:02] weapons building six or seven nuclear [04:04] weapons every single year. And uh it's [04:07] just horrendous. This is a big deal, is [04:10] it not? And we got to get this right. [04:12] You know, President Franklin Roosevelt [04:15] said at one point trying to get the [04:18] American people to think more [04:20] aggressively about how to defend [04:22] themselves. He said, "If you're standing [04:24] next to a rattlesnake, you don't [04:27] actually have to wait for it to bite [04:29] before you decide it's dangerous." And I [04:32] think that's the way we should approach [04:34] this. uh we made a huge mistake in not [04:37] stopping North Korea when we could have [04:40] before they began getting nuclear [04:42] weapons. Now I think it's one of the [04:44] unknown things about the future of the [04:46] world because they're gradually getting [04:48] more and more weapons, building better [04:50] and better missiles. Uh and I really [04:53] worry about a North Korean strike at [04:56] some point. In the case of the Iranians, [04:59] they they began killing Americans uh [05:02] very early in the regime. uh they killed [05:05] Americans in Lebanon. Uh they've [05:07] actively been against us. They've been [05:10] against the the survival of Israel and [05:12] and they're very open about it. This is [05:14] this regime is not confused. It's not [05:17] subtle. The Ayatollah Hamei, who's the [05:20] current leader, has been very clear that [05:23] they're not going to back down. Uh, and [05:25] I think sooner or later, uh, we either [05:28] have to, um, help the people of Iran [05:31] take back their own country or we have [05:34] to recognize that we're going to face a [05:37] nuclear armed Iran because despite the [05:40] bombing campaign that we've already had, [05:42] they're back rebuilding. Uh, and over [05:45] time, they'll eventually get there [05:46] unless we're prepared to bomb them again [05:49] and again. And frankly, uh, I don't [05:51] think that's a viable long-term [05:53] strategy. Let me [05:56] Okay. Uh so I have two points to make [05:58] here about this um about what they say [06:01] in this clip. [06:03] Um so first [06:06] uh so first of all uh the you know you [06:08] see there that Nuke Gingrich uh you know [06:10] points out the um the sorry uh Nuke [06:15] Gingrich points out that [06:18] um you know they're they're an evil [06:20] regime right they're an evil regime and [06:23] and you know you don't wait for a [06:24] rattlesnake to bite you right you know [06:26] the way he said that that there is a [06:29] conviction [06:31] of that good people in the world used to [06:34] have that it is their obligation to [06:37] destroy evil. I think that the the [06:39] generation that fought World War II had [06:41] that conviction and the the generations [06:46] that have passed since then and all the [06:47] post-modernism and the and the political [06:49] correctness has led us to a place where [06:52] that that civilizational confidence uh [06:56] of knowing that we are good and it is [06:59] our responsibility to destroy evil and [07:01] that if we don't we are allowing it to [07:04] get further entrenched. we are allowing [07:06] it to to uh you know to to deepen its [07:10] hold on whatever parts of the world it [07:11] has and we're passing off a worse [07:13] problem to future generations. And he [07:16] brought that up also when he was talking [07:17] about you know when Mark Levvin brought [07:18] up North Korea. Okay. So this these [07:22] diplomacy mongers as Mark put it uh are [07:25] are actually there's a certain lack of [07:29] moral conviction that goes into engaging [07:32] in diplomacy with people who [07:35] ideologically are opposed to diplomacy. [07:39] I mean according to Islam, deception [07:41] goes with the territory. You deceive [07:43] your enemies. They're not interested in [07:45] it. And and what does diplomacy get you? [07:47] as he said what we're going to we're [07:48] going to throw them a lifeline allow [07:50] them to continue and then what is it is [07:53] it a foregone conclusion have we [07:54] resigned ourselves that the Islamic [07:56] regime should exist forever and if it [07:58] and if we hope that it doesn't exist [07:59] forever what's the game plan what's the [08:02] game plan moving forward how do you get [08:03] rid of an evil regime and right now it's [08:05] weaker than it's ever been and again [08:07] that sense of responsibility of of good [08:10] people [08:11] uh within good people knowing that it is [08:14] their job to get rid of evil is [08:16] something that needs to be rediscovered [08:17] and I think that was a subtext of a lot [08:19] of what they were saying here. The other [08:20] point I want to make and this is more [08:21] important in terms of what we're dealing [08:23] with right now and that is earlier on in [08:25] the interview new [08:27] mentioned the fact that the regime has [08:29] killed thousands of its people and it [08:30] said that and he said correctly and I [08:33] want to drill down on this point he said [08:35] if they stop killing people they won't [08:38] survive as a regime that they only [08:40] survive by killing people. Now, this is [08:41] such an important point and it leads [08:44] directly into a proper understanding of [08:46] what Iran's current strategy is because [08:48] you look at at um at where they are. [08:51] They're in this negotiation with the [08:52] United States. The Americans are making [08:54] demands on them. Demands to get rid of [08:56] the nuclear, get rid of the ballistic [08:58] missiles, stop funding the proxies, and [09:00] stop persecuting their own people. If [09:02] they give into those demands, here's [09:03] what they know. They know that if they [09:06] give into those demands, it means the [09:08] end of the regime. Not only because oh [09:10] they won't be able to fulfill their [09:12] jihadist ambitions, but they know that [09:14] if they don't if they don't crack down [09:17] on their people, if they don't persecute [09:19] their people [09:21] and they give into demands and therefore [09:23] project weakness, the chances of the [09:26] regime collapsing from within because of [09:28] that weakness, because how how it will [09:31] embolden their people, [09:34] that is a greater chance of regime [09:36] collapse than the chance of regime of a [09:39] regime collapse from bombing from the [09:41] Americans, right? And I've been saying [09:43] this in in the last few videos. This was [09:45] such an important point. They have to [09:47] keep killing their people. [09:49] Uh so, so and again, this gets you into [09:53] the strategy um of of the of what the [09:55] Iranians are thinking right now. But I [09:58] think the key, you know, the key [09:59] takeaway, I'm just going to go back to [10:00] this these these diplomacy mongers. [10:02] There is a there is a delusion that many [10:05] people in the west have both on the [10:07] right and on the left which leads to [10:09] this obsession with diplomacy and coming [10:11] to agreements [10:13] and it's a belief that in the end of the [10:16] day deep down everybody in the world [10:18] really wants the same things. Oh yeah [10:21] there's bad actors but everyone has a [10:24] price everyone really just wants [10:25] prosperity or just wants power. The idea [10:28] that ideology is more important to [10:31] people than their own well-being is [10:35] something that is so alien to [10:37] westerners. Even if they can hear it, [10:39] they can't hear it. They can't really [10:40] understand it. They can't wrap their [10:41] head around it. They don't really [10:43] believe it. [10:45] So they think that, oh, if we just give [10:48] them the right incentives, if we just [10:50] push the right pressure points, it'll [10:52] get them to behave and back down. It [10:54] just doesn't work that way. in the [10:56] Middle East, ideology, when you're [10:58] dealing with Islamists, ideology and and [11:01] their faith and their jihadist genocidal [11:05] faith is more important to them. They [11:07] are more committed to that than they are [11:09] to their own material well-being. And [11:11] until Westerners [11:13] wrap their heads around that and [11:16] rediscover that conviction to defeat [11:18] evil, [11:20] we're not going to get anywhere. you [11:21] know, when when you know, Roosevelt [11:24] declared uh in the middle of the war [11:28] um that the only acceptable end to World [11:31] War II would be unequivocal [11:35] surrender. Okay? Unequivocal surrender. [11:39] Um meaning [11:42] just pure surrender. That that was the [11:44] only acceptable outcome. And I think [11:47] that that showed a certain moral [11:48] clarity. Like why do you have to bring [11:51] your enemy to their knees? Couldn't they [11:52] have ended the war before unequivocal [11:54] surrender? I mean in the last year and a [11:56] half or two years of World War II, it [11:57] was pretty clear the Japanese had lost [11:59] already. The Nazis also near the end. [12:02] Why was unconditional that was the term [12:04] he used? Why was unconditional surrender [12:06] the only thing that was the only [12:08] acceptable outcome? Because when you [12:09] have unconditional surrender, it like [12:12] pure admission of defeat, not some [12:13] negotiated end to the conflict where the [12:15] bad actors still stay in power and [12:17] they're allowed to save face. No, just [12:19] the opposite. Unconditional surrender [12:21] means they can't save face. They there [12:23] there's an admission of defeat. When [12:25] that happens, the ideology itself is so [12:28] undermined in the in the in the minds [12:30] and the hearts and minds of its [12:32] adherence that you actually have a [12:34] chance for change. And that's why both [12:36] Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan became [12:39] rather benign peaceful societies after [12:41] World War II because of unconditional [12:43] surrender. There hasn't been [12:45] unconditional surrender ever since World [12:46] War II. And that's why the bad actors [12:48] always remain in power in every [12:50] conflict. There needs to be actual [12:53] defeat. Actual defeat works. The most [12:55] peaceful time in Israel's history was [12:58] has always been after the real defeat of [13:01] enemies. You know, like uh between 1973 [13:04] and 1979 when Israel was strong and had [13:07] defeated its enemies and it was clear [13:09] that they were defeated. There was no [13:10] way for them to interpret it as victory. [13:12] They had lost territory [13:14] and that's why taking territory is so [13:16] important. Every time anyone takes [13:17] territory now, everyone's like, "Oh, [13:18] you're not allowed to take territory." [13:20] Uh, you know, the international [13:21] community freaks out. Israel took a [13:22] little bit of Syria or is holding on to [13:25] a little bit of South Lebanon. Everyone [13:26] freaks out. You if you don't take [13:29] territory from people, you can't send [13:31] them the message that they lost. And [13:33] it's it's a moral imperative to deliver [13:36] unequivocal [13:38] defeat to the evil people because that [13:41] helps that that's what actually has the [13:44] chance of breaking the evil ideology. So [13:46] I think there's a lot in this um uh you [13:49] know beneath the surface uh of this of [13:52] this great conversation between uh [13:54] between Nuke Gingrich and Mark Levin. So [13:56] it's interesting interesting little clip [13:57] there. All right, keep watching folks. [13:59] Thank you very much. Please drop a [14:00] comment. Let let me know what you think. [14:01] Let me know your thoughts on this. But I [14:04] think about this a lot. This you know [14:05] the moral imperative to actually see it [14:08] through to the end to defeat evil. And [14:10] it's something that again we've we've [14:11] lost touch with it over the over the [14:13] decades. Please make sure to also check [14:15] out all the content that we're putting [14:16] up at Israel 365 News. There's a lot [14:18] going on there.
