Transcript [00:00] All right, Pak Wiki is here with us uh [00:02] from Israel 365 News, the Jerusalem [00:04] Post, and it's good to see you again. [00:06] How are you? [00:08] >> I'm doing okay. You know, tonight we [00:10] just uh it's night in Israel. We just [00:12] started Israel's Independence Day [00:13] celebration. So, uh it's a big day here. [00:16] >> Well, congratulations on that. And of [00:18] course, some news made the rounds over [00:20] the weekend on purpose. I chose not to [00:22] comment on it on social media, and I'll [00:24] explain why after uh we get your take on [00:26] it. But uh this was something the [00:28] Israeli in fact I didn't even find out [00:30] about it um until I had already seen the [00:33] Israeli government had already condemned [00:35] it as well. But uh it's a photo of an [00:37] Israeli Defense Force soldier uh and [00:40] someone's taking the photos. There's at [00:41] least two involved. Uh but uh he is seen [00:44] essentially taking axe to an upside down [00:46] crucifix of Christ uh during one of [00:48] their Hezbollah uh operations there in [00:51] southern Lebanon Lebanon. This thing [00:52] made the rounds uh yesterday uh and as I [00:56] said it got almost instant condemnation [01:00] from the Israeli government, the IDF, [01:02] from Prime Minister Netanyahu as well, [01:04] but but you specifically contacted me [01:06] yesterday and and thought this was [01:08] something that uh you wanted to address [01:10] to our audience. So uh by all means, [01:12] brother, the floor is now yours. [01:14] Well, thank you, Steve, and I really [01:16] appreciate you uh you know, giving me [01:18] the opportunity to do this because it [01:21] this incident is being used by the usual [01:25] uh you we don't need to name them as a [01:27] way of pointing to Israel and saying, [01:29] "Aha, you see, Jews hate Christians." [01:32] And you know, you said it best in your [01:34] tea up here. The fact that it was so [01:36] roundly condemned by everyone pretty [01:39] much in Israel, by the IDF, by the prime [01:42] minister's office, by everyone speaks [01:44] volumes because a society needs to be [01:45] judged by what is considered deviant. [01:49] Meaning the question is, is this [01:50] acceptable behavior or is this not [01:52] acceptable behavior? You know, take the [01:53] example of like anti-semitism. If in the [01:56] 1930s there were quotas on Ivy League [01:59] schools about how many Jews could go [02:01] there and there were neighborhoods that [02:02] wouldn't allow Jews to move in. But then [02:05] when I was growing up in the 80s and and [02:07] you know and and in the 70s and 80s [02:10] anti-semitism became skin heads painting [02:12] swastikas on the sides of synagogues. [02:14] Okay, that's progress. That means we've [02:16] moved from more acceptable uh hatred of [02:19] Jews to more where it's become deviant [02:22] behavior. If something is deviant [02:23] behavior and society treats it as [02:25] deviant behavior that's a good thing. Uh [02:27] you know that said that said the reason [02:30] I wanted to come on and talk about it is [02:32] that there [02:35] there is a problem in some segments of [02:37] the Jewish community. Uh I've been very [02:39] outspoken about this over the years. I'm [02:41] a as you mentioned I'm a regular I'm a [02:43] regular columnist for the Jerusalem Post [02:45] and I write about this issue on a [02:46] regular basis. I've been involved in [02:47] Jewish Christian relations for many many [02:50] years. That's really my career uh and [02:52] has been for a long time. And there are [02:54] many Jews, especially raised in Israel [02:57] in an entirely Jewish environment, who [02:59] don't know Christians. All they know is [03:01] the dark history uh which is long over, [03:04] but they know it from centuries ago. [03:06] Jews are very well-versed in the [03:07] atrocities committed by people in the [03:10] name of Jesus uh during the Crusades and [03:13] during the Spanish Inquisition and other [03:15] events like that. Most Christians are [03:17] ignorant of them, unfortunately. Um but [03:19] but Jews know these things well. So you [03:22] have people who are who are raised with [03:24] no real knowledge of Christians and they [03:26] go into a situation like this and and [03:28] this is how they behave. But again, the [03:30] key is that this was roundly condemned [03:32] and the outrage that we saw online. It's [03:34] curious to me, Steve, and I think this [03:36] might be even the bigger story, that on [03:39] the same day that this happened on the [03:42] same day that this happened, I see a [03:43] news story that there were 27 Christians [03:47] slaughtered and hundreds taken captive [03:50] in Nigeria. Something that happens on an [03:52] almost daily basis, unfortunately. In uh [03:55] in 2025, there was an average of 35 [03:58] Christians murdered per day in Nigeria [04:01] for being Christian. many more taken [04:03] captive and enslaved. Um on Easter [04:06] Sunday in Syria, they had to cancel a [04:09] lot of the celebrations in the one of [04:11] the most ancient Christian communities [04:12] in the world because of of threats from [04:16] Muslims and recent massacres of the [04:18] Christian community that had happened [04:19] there. And I haven't seen the same type [04:21] of outrage about those incidents uh as [04:24] I've seen about an Israeli a deviant [04:27] Israeli soldier taking a sledgehammer to [04:30] a Jesus statue which was then of course [04:32] roundly condemned by Israeli [04:33] authorities. So at the same time as I [04:35] call it out in my community and I think [04:37] that we need a greater education in the [04:40] Jewish community of the fact that [04:42] Christians are our allies in the world [04:43] today. A more Christian Middle East is a [04:47] better, more peaceful, more prosperous [04:49] place for Israel. And we should [04:51] celebrate Christianity in the Middle [04:53] East. It would be a dream of Israel if [04:56] missionaries would come to the Middle [04:57] East and convert every Muslim to [04:58] Christianity. That would be a godsend [05:00] for the Jews. Think about what it would [05:02] do to the, you know, to, you know, to [05:04] Israel's security. So, it's, it's [05:07] obviously a foolish act. It's [05:09] politically stupid for this kid to have [05:11] done that, but he was called out [05:13] immediately. And again, I think the, you [05:15] know, the finger needs to be pointed at [05:17] all those who are outraged, who say [05:19] nothing when their Christian brothers [05:21] and sisters are being slaughtered on a [05:23] regular basis. What happened on October [05:25] 7th to us happens monthly in Nigeria. [05:27] And I don't hear all that outrage there, [05:29] Steve. [05:30] >> That's well said. And and you teed up a [05:32] lot of why I did not say anything about [05:34] it. First of all, by the time I had [05:35] heard about it, the Israeli government [05:37] at the highest levels had already [05:38] condemned it. So at that point, I mean, [05:41] this is different than the whole thing [05:43] with the shrine over Holy Week because [05:45] that matter was not yet resolved. And so [05:47] I did I at the time I commented on so I [05:50] thought it was worthy of commenting [05:51] upon. In this case, the matter is [05:52] already resolved. So the only reason for [05:54] me to comment on it is essentially to [05:56] show see if I I I found the one thing [05:58] the Jews did I don't like. So I can be [06:00] fair. I I don't play those games. I [06:02] don't care. I mean, I I I I I don't uh I [06:05] don't care what nihilist 42759er [06:08] on X thinks about, you know, any of that [06:10] stuff. I'm my my career isn't to earn [06:12] their approval. And so, the only reason [06:14] I would be doing that is some form of, [06:16] you know, righty virtue signaling um to [06:20] a group of people, frankly, I'm trying [06:21] to confront. Uh so, I I really could [06:23] care less what they think. The other [06:25] reason, and you touched on some of this [06:26] too, uh the Muslim angle, I mean I mean [06:29] Tucker wants to tell me there's no [06:31] Christian slaughter in Nigeria. Uh so I [06:34] mean where where are these people on any [06:36] of this stuff? Nowhere to be found in [06:38] most cases. The third reason and the [06:41] most controversial one is um frankly [06:44] under the previous president that we had [06:46] here, they were actively uh trying to [06:49] promote the mil within our military the [06:52] kinds of soldiers in our own military [06:54] wearing our own uniform that would do [06:56] things like that to Christian symbols [06:57] and relics. [06:59] They were actively trying to purge [07:01] people out of the military who were [07:03] Christian believers. The overwhelming [07:05] amount of people who refused to take [07:06] that jab in the military were believers. [07:09] I know because there's almost no one [07:11] that wrote more about that topic than I [07:13] did during that period of time. And many [07:15] of them did not do so out of their own [07:16] Christian conviction. And the Biden [07:18] administration was using this to purge [07:20] Christian believers out of the military [07:22] and in many cases was elevating the were [07:24] elevating the very kind of elements that [07:26] would that would probably uh desecrate [07:29] uh Christian imagery like that. And so [07:31] for those various reasons, in that [07:34] order, one, it was already resolved, so [07:36] there's really nothing to comment on. So [07:38] that brings me to number two. I'm only [07:39] doing it to please a group of people I [07:41] could care less about pleasing. And then [07:43] three, I've got enough of uh of [07:46] godlessness in my own culture right now. [07:48] You know, we did a live read for for [07:49] beam dream powder. I believe our Lord [07:51] said something about the beam in your [07:53] eye, right, Todd? And the speck of dust [07:55] in uh in somebody else's, right? [07:56] Something like that. Correct. [07:57] >> Yeah. I think uh we've got enough [07:59] godlessness in our own culture right now [08:00] that is way more of a threat than what a [08:04] couple idiots in your re in your uh [08:06] military that have already been [08:07] disciplined did on a rando Sunday. But [08:09] that's just me. [08:11] You know, if I could add another [08:12] dimension to this, Steve, you know, you [08:14] know it kind of, you know, really big [08:16] picture here. right after October 7th uh [08:20] that that November [08:23] at the traditional Christmas tree [08:25] lighting in Rockefeller Plaza that [08:27] happens every year right after [08:28] Thanksgiving you know the kickoff to the [08:30] Christmas shopping season and in uh in [08:33] no it after at the Christmas tree [08:35] lighting in November 2023 it turned into [08:38] a pro- kamas anti-Israel [08:40] riot uh and they were screaming [08:43] Christmas is canled till Palestine is [08:45] free and and from the river to the sea [08:48] disrupting the Christmas tree lighting. [08:49] And then this happened in in London [08:51] where they disrupted the Christmas [08:53] market screaming pro- kamas slogans. The [08:55] Lascala opera Christmas uh u performance [08:59] that takes place in Rome every year was [09:01] disrupted by pro- kamas anti-Israel [09:03] demonstrators. The mass in St. Patrick's [09:06] Cathedral on Easter Sunday after October [09:09] the year after October 7th was also [09:10] interrupted by pro- kamas demonstrators. [09:12] And you got to wonder to yourself, why [09:14] does it make sense to our enemies, the [09:16] Red Green Alliance, whatever you want to [09:18] call them, why does it make sense to the [09:19] enemies of Israel to attack Christmas [09:22] and Easter when Jews don't celebrate [09:25] Christmas and Easter? [09:27] Why does it make sense to them? I'm [09:29] asking the question in a very specific [09:30] way. [09:30] >> How do how do they how do they see it? [09:32] Not how do we see it within our within [09:34] our own internments, but how do they see [09:36] it? As far as they're concerned, as far [09:38] as as far as our enemy our enemies are [09:40] concerned, Jews and Christians are [09:42] exactly the same. They kill us for the [09:44] exact same reasons. If there was a Jew [09:46] in one of those Nigerian towns when the [09:48] slaughter was going on yesterday, that [09:50] Jew would be killed for the same reason. [09:52] This isn't, and I'm not talking about uh [09:54] you know, you know, like when the left [09:56] says that, what's that word they use [09:58] where all different causes are the same. [09:59] I don't even remember the word anymore. [10:01] Um the this is they hate biblical faith. [10:06] And as far as they're concerned, we [10:08] represent the exact same thing. The you [10:11] know who's not outraged about the uh [10:14] about the sledgehammer to this Jesus [10:16] statue. You know who's not outraged by [10:17] it? The Christians in Lebanon. I mean [10:20] they want it fixed and the IDF fixed it [10:23] today, but they're not outraged. They [10:24] don't think that Israel hates [10:25] Christians. They love the Israelis. They [10:27] fought alongside the Israelis for years [10:29] in the South Lebanon army. They're not [10:31] outraged by it. It's just, you know, the [10:33] it's the it's the so-called Christian [10:35] voices in Podcastistan here in America, [10:38] uh, where you are, who who who are [10:40] making a big deal out of it, you know. [10:43] So, we have to think about how our [10:45] enemies think from from our enemy's [10:46] perspective, our if we're fighting with [10:48] each other, Christians and Jews, then [10:51] then they've won because that's an as [10:53] far as they're concerned, that's an [10:54] internal battle between us. We we're in [10:56] the same category as far as they're [10:58] concerned. And we need to wake up Jews [11:00] and Christians alike. And this is my [11:01] message to the Jewish community as well, [11:03] my column in the Jerusalem Post about [11:04] this incident. I'm calling out the [11:05] Jewish community and saying, "Look, [11:08] Christians are not our enemies. [11:09] Christians are our allies. In fact, [11:10] they're our only allies worldwide. And [11:13] we have to start educating our kids to [11:15] understand that because I I think that [11:17] this kid who did this probably was the [11:19] result of some bad Jewish education. But [11:22] again, at the same time, we need to take [11:23] the bigger picture view." [11:26] >> Bach, good to see you again. How can [11:27] people follow your work if they want to [11:28] do so? [11:30] >> Oh, thank you. Uh, Israel 365 News on [11:33] YouTube. We're posting videos all the [11:34] time. I also have my private YouTube [11:36] channel, which is my name, Rabbi Pesak [11:39] Pesak Wuliki. I'm the only peswiliki in [11:41] the world. I'm really easy to find. You [11:42] could also find my author page at the [11:44] Jerusalem Post at jpost.com and Rabbi PW [11:48] on X. Thank you so much, Steve. [11:49] >> You got it, man. Good to see you. Thank [11:51] you. [11:52] God bless.
