Transcript [00:00] Everyone's been talking about the [00:02] interview that Tucker Carlson did with [00:04] Ambassador Mike Huckabe and I'd like to [00:08] touch on two issues that came up in that [00:11] interview in this video. And uh they [00:14] came up one right after the other. The [00:15] first issue is that of the biblical [00:18] borders of the promised land. And the [00:21] second one that we'll deal with is the [00:23] issue of the Jewish identity of today's [00:26] Jews. So, let's go ahead and take a look [00:29] at that first clip. [00:32] >> Hear me say is I'm confused by what the [00:34] definitions are. So, let's go through [00:35] this. You've appealed to Genesis. [00:37] Genesis 15 says it's Abram, it's [00:39] pre-Abraham, it's Abram receives from [00:42] God the news that his descendants will [00:45] inherit the land. And you tell me as the [00:46] as the theologian if I'm getting this [00:48] wrong, but from the Euphrates to the [00:51] Nile. I think I think that's right. [00:54] And that would include like basically [00:57] the entire Middle East. That would be [00:59] the Levant. So that would be Israel, [01:01] Jordan, Syria, Lebanon. It would also be [01:04] big parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. It [01:07] would be I mean [01:08] >> not sure it would go that far. I mean it [01:09] would be a big piece of land. But here's [01:11] the point. It would be a lot of places [01:13] that are now countries that [01:14] >> but this particular area that we're [01:17] talking about now, Israel is um is a [01:22] land that God gave through Abraham to a [01:26] people that he chose. It was a people, a [01:28] place, and a purpose. We we can look at [01:31] it that way. [01:32] >> Christian Zionism, I want to go back [01:34] because that's where we started. I'm not [01:35] going to let you off on this because you [01:36] have it three times that God gave this [01:39] land [01:40] >> to this people. And so it is entirely [01:42] fair for me with respect to ask what [01:44] land are you talking about? Because I [01:46] just read Genesis 15 as I have many [01:48] times. [01:49] >> And that land I think it says from the [01:52] Nile to the Euphrates, which is once [01:55] again basically the entire Middle East. [01:57] So God gave that land to his people, the [01:59] Jews, or he didn't. You're saying he [02:02] did? [02:03] What does that mean? Does Israel have [02:05] the right to that land? Because you're [02:08] appealing to Genesis. Yeah. You're [02:10] saying that's the original deed? [02:14] >> It would be fine if they took it all, [02:16] but I don't think that's what we're [02:17] talking about here today. [02:18] >> What would be fine? Well, it's exactly [02:20] what we're talking about today. [02:21] >> But but here's what I I don't think [02:22] >> I think it would be fine if the state of [02:23] Israel took over all. [02:25] >> They don't want to take it over. They're [02:26] not asking to take it over. But you're [02:28] saying that the reason that Israel is [02:30] legitimate, has this inherent right to [02:32] exist is bec God gave it to his people. [02:37] And I am going to the same Bible that [02:39] you're referring to and noticing that [02:40] that is a huge piece of land. So if God [02:43] gave them that land, then they have a [02:45] right to take it now by your definition. [02:47] Unless I'm missing something. I think [02:48] you're missing something because they're [02:50] not asking to go back to take all of [02:53] that, but they are asking to at least [02:55] take the land [02:56] >> that they now occupy, they now live in, [02:59] they now own legitimately, and it is a [03:03] safe haven for them. [03:05] >> May I ask though as [03:07] okay um [03:10] I do not think that Ambassador Huckabe [03:12] handled this well. Uh he was avoiding [03:14] the question. He was dodging. Tucker was [03:17] asking him about the Nile to the [03:18] Euphrates and what he believes about [03:19] that. Let me make this very clear. The [03:23] correct answer, the answer that [03:25] Ambassador Huckabe should have given, [03:26] the answer that I would have given if [03:28] someone asks, hey, the Bible says that [03:30] you have the right from the Nile to the [03:31] Euphrates, I would say, well, the very [03:33] same Bible, like one book later in the [03:35] book of Exodus, which is not, I mean, [03:37] it's a few chapters later, basically, [03:39] consider, you know, in comparison to the [03:41] whole Bible, [03:43] uh, the nation of Israel leaves Egypt. [03:46] It's called the Exodus. Now, tell me, [03:48] when they leave Egypt, you read the [03:50] Bible. When they read, when they leave [03:51] Egypt and they're [03:53] They've just crossed the Red Sea and [03:55] they're in the desert. Are they already [03:57] in the promised land? Like according to [03:59] the narrative in the Bible, are they [04:00] already in the promised land? No, [04:01] they're not. Wait, but wait a second. [04:03] They're between the Nile and the [04:04] Euphrates. Why isn't it considered that [04:06] they're already in the promised land? [04:08] Let me go further with this uh with this [04:10] point. The end of the book of Numbers, [04:13] the nation of Israel is on the east side [04:15] of the Jordan River, well within the [04:18] boundaries between the Nile and the [04:19] Euphrates. [04:21] And the two tribes of Ruvane and Gad [04:26] ask permission to not enter the promised [04:29] land and instead to settle on the [04:32] eastern bank of the Jordan River. And [04:33] they're rebuked by Moses for their [04:36] request. But wait a second, they're [04:38] between the Nile and the Euphrates. Why [04:40] are they being rebuked? This is already [04:42] the promised land. [04:44] But to take this even further, Moses for [04:50] for for committing a sin of hitting a [04:53] the rock for the water to come out [04:54] instead of speaking to it, God punishes [04:56] him and and Aaron, but he punishes Moses [04:59] and explicitly says to him that he will [05:02] not enter the land because of his sin. [05:05] And then he, this is in the final scene [05:07] of Moses' life, right at the very very [05:09] end of the book of Deuteronomy, right [05:11] before Moses dies, God said to him, "You [05:13] can look at the land from here, but you, [05:15] you cannot enter the promised land." Not [05:17] allowed to enter the promised land. [05:18] Well, here's the problem, Tucker. [05:23] Moses is standing on the eastern bank of [05:26] the Jordan River. He is between the Nile [05:28] and the Euphrates. Why? Why is it not [05:30] considered that he's already in the [05:32] promised land if the promised land is [05:34] from the Nile to the Euphrates? And the [05:35] answer is that Genesis 15 act says what [05:39] it says. It says what Tucker says it [05:40] says. But the rest of the Bible does not [05:43] treat from the Nile to the Euphrates as [05:45] the promised land in any way. [05:48] At no point and at no point did the [05:50] nation of Israel lay claim from the Nile [05:52] to the Euphrates. The Bible itself, you [05:55] could say it contradicts itself. You [05:57] could say we have an exugesus problem [05:59] that we now have to solve. Why does why [06:02] does it not consider that Moses was in [06:04] the promised land because he was between [06:05] the Nile and the Euphrates? Why were the [06:07] tribes of Reuben and God rebuked for not [06:10] wanting to enter the promised land when [06:11] they were between the Nile and the [06:12] Euphrates? Why were the people of Israel [06:14] not yet in the promised land when they [06:16] left Egypt when they were between the [06:17] Nile and the Euphrates? We could ask [06:19] that question. That's a biblical exesus [06:21] question. It has nothing to do with any [06:24] claims even the biblical claim that is [06:26] made on the land of Israel by the [06:29] descendants of Abraham. Okay. So that's [06:31] I hope that is a hope that answer was [06:33] clear. Let's go take a look now at the [06:36] second clip that I wanted to share with [06:38] you. [06:39] >> The first question was the borders. I [06:41] can't get an answer. Yeah, those borders [06:42] are so I'm going to give up. [06:44] >> But the second question is every bit as [06:46] pressing which is who are the people? [06:48] >> Who are the modern? Yes. Who are who are [06:50] the descendants? So, we know and I [06:52] believe and I agree with you as a [06:54] Christian that God promised this land [06:57] from modern day Iraq to modern day Egypt [07:00] to this people, the Jews. To Abram's [07:03] actually not to the to Abram's [07:04] descendants as it says in Genesis 15. [07:09] Who are his descendants now? And how do [07:10] we know who they are? I think they're [07:12] the Jews. And we know who they are [07:13] because they've always been a Jewish [07:15] people. There has been an unbroken line [07:17] of Jewish people and they've lived in [07:19] this land for 3,800 years. Sometimes not [07:23] very many of them because they were [07:24] chased out all over the world. They were [07:26] hunted down. They were almost [07:28] annihilated during the Holocaust. They [07:30] came back to this day, Tucker, they [07:32] represent, you know how many Jews there [07:33] are in the whole world. [07:34] >> Please, I understand. First of all, the [07:37] greatest genocide of Jews no one ever [07:38] mentions was by the Romans where they [07:41] were literally banned from Jerusalem for [07:43] 500 years. Yeah, of course. [07:45] >> And and it's all awful. And I'm opposed [07:47] to all of that. I'm opposed to mass [07:49] killing of anybody. Period. I'm opposed [07:51] to [07:52] >> you say that. [07:53] >> I mean it. [07:53] >> Yeah. [07:54] >> And I hope we believe that. [07:57] >> My question is, and it's not a bumper [07:59] sticker answer. It's a sincere answer. [08:01] How do we know? Because what you're [08:04] saying is that certain people have a [08:06] title to a highly contested region. They [08:09] own it in some deep sense. So I think [08:12] it's fair to ask who are they and how do [08:14] we know? So the current prime minister's [08:16] ancestors weren't from here within [08:19] recorded history. They're he has no [08:21] deed. BB Netanyahu on one side his [08:23] family's from Poland. They're from [08:24] Eastern Europe. So how do we know that [08:27] he has a connection to the people who [08:30] God promised the land to Abram's [08:32] descendants? How do we know that? Well, [08:34] if you take the genealogies that come [08:36] not only from the Old but the New [08:37] Testament, you see that there is a [08:39] historical connection through the [08:41] entirety of the Old and the New [08:43] Testament that details the Jewish [08:46] connection to this land. [08:47] >> Does that include family? How do we know [08:49] that if his family scattered? [08:51] >> But how do we know it's the same people? [08:54] >> No. Why is that crazy? If if if you say [08:56] to me if they speak the same language, [08:58] if they worship the same God, if they [09:00] follow the same Bible, if they follow [09:02] the same cultures and traditions and [09:05] they always pray next year in Jerusalem [09:07] and they pray for the peace of Jerusalem [09:09] and they pray facing toward Jerusalem, [09:11] does that not give you a little bit of a [09:13] clue as to who they are? [09:14] >> Let's go through those things because I [09:15] would like to have a rational. This is [09:16] the conversation I've wanted. Bless you. [09:18] Thank you for doing this. [laughter] [09:20] >> Um, let's just go through those things. [09:22] Okay. So, one of the things I admire [09:24] most about Israel is they resurrected a [09:25] dead language in 1948. [09:27] >> Good for them. [09:29] >> Well, they really didn't resurrect it. [09:31] It It was existent. [09:32] >> Okay. I'm not That's not That's a [09:34] compliment. I'm not slightly [09:35] >> No, no, no, but it is the first time in [09:36] all of human history that a language has [09:39] survived through this length of time. [09:41] It's it's it's I would call it You might [09:43] not, but I would call it a miracle. One [09:46] of many, [09:47] >> okay, that you can I think it's [09:49] wonderful as someone who loves language. [09:51] Netanyahu's parents did not speak [09:52] Hebrew. Okay? They didn't live in this [09:55] region. [09:56] Netanyahu, the founders of this country [09:58] were mostly secular. Some of them were [10:00] avowed atheists. They were not praying [10:02] for the peace of Jerusalem. They weren't [10:03] praying at all because they didn't [10:04] believe in God. [10:06] >> There's no genealogy linking their [10:08] families to the people of this land [10:11] 3,000 years ago. They're none. So, how [10:14] do we know since they didn't share a [10:16] language? They didn't share a religion. [10:18] They had no religion whatsoever. [10:20] How do we know that they had a right to [10:24] come here from Eastern Europe? And [10:27] >> but they were scattered land. [10:29] >> They were scattered to Eastern Europe. [10:30] They were scattered all over the world. [10:32] There were many in Ethiopia. They were [10:34] in Russia. They were in Poland. [10:36] >> They were throughout Asia. [10:38] >> Jews were all over the place, but they [10:40] were still Jews. They were still Jews. [10:43] >> Okay. So, let me get to the nub of the [10:45] question since again, a lot is at stake. [10:47] A lot of money is at stake. land is very [10:49] valuable. [10:50] Uh, Israel has a lot of resources. By [10:52] the way, if you're accused of a crime, [10:53] you can hide here. That's pretty good [10:54] passport to have. It's a good thing, [10:57] right? So, who's entitled to it? I don't [11:01] understand. And you're very discouraged [11:03] in the United States from asking this [11:04] question for some reason. It's a totally [11:06] rational discourage. [11:07] >> No, you're not discouraging. Others do. [11:09] You're like the only person I have this [11:10] conversation with. Every be like, "Shut [11:11] up, Nazi." [11:12] >> It It's a foundational question. Are you [11:15] speaking of an ethnic group or a [11:18] religious group? [11:19] >> Well, I think you're looking at for many [11:21] people it is religious. There are people [11:24] who may not have a deep religious [11:27] connection to Judaism, but they're still [11:28] Jews. [11:29] >> Okay? [11:29] >> So, it's it's an ethnic category. [11:31] >> It is ethnic, but it is also religious. [11:33] It is rooted in religion. You can't take [11:35] it out of it. Now, that means [11:37] >> then how can an atheist [11:38] >> Well, I will tell you this. There are [11:39] some people who say, "I'm Christian." [11:41] They never go to church. They never [11:43] pray. They never read their Bible. They [11:45] don't tithe. [11:46] >> But they're not entitled to citizenship [11:47] on the basis of that. They're not [11:48] entitled to they still call themselves [11:50] Christian. Even though they identify [11:53] here's the difference. You're saying [11:55] that people who have this identification [12:00] have a deed to a huge chunk of land on [12:04] the Mediterranean. Okay. So there's, you [12:08] know, it's a it's a right. You keep [12:10] telling me it's a right. And so it's [12:12] totally fair to say if you come to my [12:13] house and say I've got the title to your [12:15] house, I get to ask may I see it? [12:18] Where'd you get it? And that's exactly [12:20] what happened here. People from Europe, [12:21] Eastern Europe, came here. In a lot of [12:23] cases, atheists and kicked out a lot of [12:26] people who lived here. [12:28] >> Land. [12:28] >> Well, they did not just throw people. [12:31] >> They bought a lot of land. There's no [12:32] question about that. Buy a lot of land, [12:33] >> but they also [12:35] movement kicked out a lot of people in [12:38] >> the war. [12:39] >> It was a war. I agree. I'm not look I'm [12:41] not want to reitigate the history. I'm [12:43] just saying it's a fact. [12:44] >> Okay? [12:44] >> Including a lot of Christians. A lot of [12:46] Christians [12:47] >> uh wound up fleeing [12:49] >> and they lost their homes and they've [12:50] never been allowed back. And all of this [12:52] was justified on the basis of this [12:55] identity that forms that is the ticket [12:58] to the right that you keep referring to. [13:00] So my question is very simple. I'm going [13:02] to wait patiently for an answer. Does [13:04] this right derive from religious [13:05] affiliation [13:07] or from genetics? [13:08] >> And I would say it's both. [13:12] Okay, there's a lot to unpack in this [13:15] clip. A lot [clears throat] to unpack [13:17] here. So, [13:19] you know, Tucker's actually raising a a [13:21] real a real question. Is this an [13:24] ethnicity? Is it a religion? What [13:27] exactly is Jewish identity? It's a good [13:29] question, and I don't think Ambassador [13:31] Huckabe handles it well at all. uh other [13:35] than the last word that he says that [13:36] it's both. But I'm but considering what [13:38] he was saying before about you know [13:39] Christians who don't practice and they [13:41] still identify as Christians which is a [13:42] bad analogy because Christianity is not [13:45] a nationality. It's only a faith. So [13:48] again I don't think that ambassador [13:49] Huckabe handled this question well. And [13:52] considering that Tucker has been talking [13:54] about this issue and he's talked about [13:55] it in other contexts, this is where I I [13:59] really am critical of Ambassador Huckabe [14:01] for this interview because it tells me [14:03] that he did not properly prepare because [14:05] this answer I I don't know about you, [14:07] but listening to that answer, if I was [14:09] someone sympathetic to the question that [14:11] Tucker was asking, I would not be [14:12] satisfied by the answer he gave. So, let [14:14] me let me give you my take on this. [14:17] So the problem that we have here is that [14:19] the Jewish people are not uh they're not [14:24] an ethnicity. You cannot convert to an [14:26] ethnicity, but you can join the Jewish [14:28] people. And they are not only a [14:30] religion. Ambassador Huckabe is right. [14:31] People can have a Jewish identity even [14:33] though they don't practice the religion. [14:34] So what are the Jewish people? The [14:36] Jewish people are in one word, and I'll [14:38] explain what I mean. A nation. A nation. [14:42] Okay? You can join a nation. [14:45] uh if you ex you know let's start with [14:47] the joining a nation okay you can join a [14:49] nation if you you know you you move to [14:51] the land you accept you pled you declare [14:56] your allegiance to the laws of that land [14:57] and you were accepted in and you become [14:59] part of that nation once you're part of [15:01] that nation if you then commit crimes [15:03] and you don't follow the laws of that [15:04] land you don't get kicked out of being [15:05] part of the nation you're still part of [15:07] the nation so it nationality is not the [15:10] same as ethnic as ethnicity and it's not [15:12] the same as religion let me give you [15:13] another way to look at [15:16] In the ancient world, [15:19] which is when the Jewish people began, [15:21] in the ancient world, nations, [15:23] ethnicities, nations had their had gods. [15:29] Gods were a lot of gods were national [15:31] gods. You lived in a certain land, that [15:33] nation had a god. And generally what [15:35] happened was when people would move to a [15:36] land and if they were joining up with [15:39] that nation like let's say a woman [15:40] marrying in was the standard way that [15:43] someone might switch nations people move [15:46] to another land they become part of that [15:48] nation they start worshiping that god [15:49] that's how you become part of a nation [15:51] think about Ruth's conversion in the [15:53] book of Ruth her conversion isn't a [15:54] conversion like we do it today she [15:56] simply went to the land of Israel with [15:58] her mother-in-law she declared your God [16:00] is my God your people are my people she [16:02] became part of the nation of Israel [16:04] That's what being part of a nation [16:06] means. The Jewish people are a nation [16:08] and they're an ancient nation. And [16:10] therefore, the paradigm of what the [16:12] Jewish people are doesn't actually fit [16:15] the paradigms that people have today of [16:17] religions and ethnicities and [16:19] nationalities. Okay? It doesn't it [16:21] doesn't work well. And especially [16:23] because the Jewish people remained a [16:25] distinct nation while scattered in [16:28] exile. It breaks the paradigm. Oh, lo [16:30] and behold, the Jewish people don't fit [16:32] the paradigm of history. So, it can be [16:34] confusing. I sympathize with Tucker. A [16:36] lot of pe a lot of Jews don't understand [16:38] this. Joining the Jewish people is very [16:40] much joining up with a nation. Now, [16:44] being in exile for a couple thousand [16:45] years, a lot of Jews started to think of [16:47] Judaism only as a religion. [16:49] And also, the Jewish people were in [16:51] exile scattered for a long time. And [16:53] that's why the genetics is it's not [16:56] really a relevant point. Think of it as [16:57] here's another way to look at it. Think [16:58] of it as a corporate entity. You have a [17:00] company and people people join the [17:02] company, they leave the company, they [17:04] get fired, they get hired. The entity [17:07] continues to exist and people join it [17:08] and leave it. But the entity continues [17:11] to exist and it has whole it has [17:12] possessions. It has its own it has a [17:15] life of its own. It has right it it it [17:17] is an entity. So the Jewish people is a [17:19] nation. It's a national entity. It [17:21] remained a national entity while in [17:23] exile, still laying laying claim to a [17:26] land that it always pointed to. It ne [17:29] the Jewish people never never gave up on [17:32] its claim to the land of Israel, [17:34] declaring it all the time, not only in [17:36] liturgy, but in books and publicly. [17:40] Everyone knew that the people of Israel [17:41] laid claim to the land of Israel [17:43] throughout the history of the exile. And [17:45] there was never any other sovereign [17:47] entity, local sovereign entity in the [17:49] land of Israel. When I say local [17:50] sovereign entity entity, meaning the [17:52] land of Israel throughout the exile was [17:54] always governed by some external [17:57] invading empire. Okay, [18:00] the Jewish people are a nation. Okay, [18:03] they're a nation. And that's why this [18:04] whole thing of the DNA testing, it's not [18:06] a relevant point because you can join a [18:09] nation even if you don't have the same [18:10] DNA. You can join a nation and nations [18:13] in the ancient world had gods. So that [18:17] the people of Israel have their God, the [18:19] God of Israel, and they are a people. [18:21] And you can have people in that nation [18:23] who don't worship and don't follow the [18:25] laws that that God gives. That doesn't [18:27] mean they're not part of the nation [18:28] anymore. Okay? It's so what we have here [18:32] to some extent is an ancient construct [18:34] that's difficult to translate into the [18:37] way that that that Christians in the [18:40] modern world think about religion and [18:42] and nation. Okay, that's one that's one [18:44] point here. Another [18:47] important point Tucker brought up this [18:51] issue of okay like who are the Jews [18:53] today because it's there's the children [18:55] of Abraham and the Jews. Are these Jews [18:56] the same? He's talking about you know [18:58] Prime Minister Netanyahu comes from [18:59] Poland. [19:01] So I want to tell you a little story. A [19:03] number of years ago, you know, I I work [19:05] in the field of Jewish Christian [19:07] relations and I was invited by a [19:09] Presbyterian pastor from Wyoming to [19:13] speak at a church in to speak in [19:15] Wyoming. Now, why is that strange? [19:18] Because the Presbyterian church, and [19:19] this Presbyterian pastor was from the [19:21] PCUSA, which is the main Presbyterian [19:23] denomination in America, there was a [19:25] breakaway of the more conservative wing [19:26] a number of years ago. This is from the [19:28] more progressive wing. The PCUSA is [19:31] quite anti-Israel. [19:33] But this Presbyterian pastor uh wanted [19:35] to hear hear my voice and hear a voice [19:37] from Israel. And she invited me to come [19:39] out to her church in Wyoming, she was [19:41] going to get together with a few other [19:42] churches to host an event where I would [19:44] speak, okay, represent Israel. And [19:47] because the Presbyterian church is [19:49] hierarchical, she asked permission from [19:51] the state presbyter of Wyoming for me to [19:53] come speak. The state prespbitter, a [19:56] progressive, leftist, whatever you want [19:58] to call, uh was not happy with the [20:02] request, but didn't want to say no. [20:03] Didn't want to have some some [20:05] disgruntled pastors. So, he reluctantly [20:09] agreed. Now, in his reluctant agreement, [20:12] he [20:14] he uh he expressed it in an email to [20:16] this pastor. And in this email, he he he [20:21] he reluctantly allowed me to speak and [20:24] gave certain stipulations about the talk [20:26] which are not relevant here. But the [20:29] email opened with the following line. [20:31] Now, I don't think he thought that these [20:33] that this pastor would show me the [20:34] email, but she did. And I used it in an [20:37] opinion piece that I wrote in the [20:38] Jerusalem Post about this incident uh [20:42] shortly after it took place. So, here is [20:45] here's the quote. I So, I have it right [20:46] here. He wrote, "I don't think the Old [20:49] Testament nation of Israel and the [20:51] present day nation of Israel are [20:54] equivalent, nor should they be in my [20:57] estimation." Okay, that was what this [21:01] what this what this state prespiter [21:02] said. [21:04] I found this fascinating. It's a [21:06] fascinating statement that I don't think [21:08] the current people of Israel, the [21:10] current Jews are the same as the as the [21:11] ancient Jews of the Bible. [21:15] This is a claim that is very recent and [21:18] it's what Tucker is implying also that [21:20] the Jews of today aren't necessarily the [21:23] descendants of the ancient Jewish [21:24] people. Now, what's fascinating about [21:25] this claim, there are two things that [21:27] are fascinating to me about it. Number [21:29] one, it is extremely easy to disprove, [21:32] and I I'll I'll do that in a moment. [21:33] It's extremely easy to disprove. The [21:36] second thing that's fascinating about it [21:39] is that no one ever made this claim [21:42] until extremely recently. So let's deal [21:44] with the disproving first. So it's easy [21:47] to disprove because unbeknownst to [21:50] Tucker Carlson, I'm sure there is an [21:53] unbroken chain. Now Huckabe alluded to [21:55] this. He talked about, you know, you [21:56] have this chain of generations in in the [21:58] Old Testament, in the New Testament, but [22:01] that's not so convincing. What there's [22:04] literally an unbroken chain of Jewish [22:06] tradition going all the way back to [22:07] biblical times. Let me show you [22:09] something here. [22:11] This is uh one of many lists that are [22:14] available. This is a list of Jewish [22:17] tradition starts Moses, Joshua, Phineas [22:20] or Pinas, Eli, Samuel, David. Okay? [22:23] These are all people who knew each [22:25] other. Okay? And you see it has the [22:27] dates here. So Moses you there is an [22:30] unbroken chain t pretty much teacher to [22:34] student generation to generation every [22:36] single century going all the way from [22:39] Moses all the way down to the 20th [22:42] century or the 21st century all the way [22:43] down to now this list ends in 1936 with [22:45] some rabbis and then you can just [22:46] continue it because we know exactly who [22:48] these people were and who their students [22:50] were. Let me say this again. Let me be [22:53] very clear. There is literally an [22:55] unbroken chain teacher to student that [22:58] is on record from Moses [23:02] all the way down till today. There could [23:03] there might be some very small gaps [23:05] where we don't have names. There are [23:07] different lists that people have [23:08] compiled to show this. Let me simplify [23:10] it. We have books and records of Jewish [23:14] communal life [23:17] from every single century from un an [23:21] unbroken chain. It's easily trackable. [23:24] The Jewish people know exactly where [23:26] we've been. We know exactly who we are. [23:27] So anyone claiming it's not like the [23:29] Jewish people vanished and now some new [23:32] group of people said that they're Jews. [23:34] Okay, the Jew it's it's it's totally [23:36] continuous. Which means that if you want [23:39] to claim that the Jews of today, like [23:41] this state presbyter claimed and like [23:42] Tucker was implying that the Jews of [23:44] today are not the Jews of the Bible, [23:46] show me where the lie begins. Are the [23:48] Jews of today not the not the [23:50] descendants of the Jews of the 18th [23:53] century or the 17th century? Tucker [23:54] wouldn't claim that because I mean the [23:56] genealogy is very is recorded. Okay. Are [23:58] the Jews of the 16th century not the [24:00] same as the Jews of the 14th century? [24:02] How about the Jews of the were the Jews [24:04] of the 12th century not the same as the [24:06] Jews of the 14th century? You can go [24:07] down one of these lists and you see it's [24:10] an unbroken chain. Where does the lie [24:12] begin? You can't answer this question. [24:14] And that's why there was not a single [24:16] legitimate historian who makes the claim [24:19] that the Jews today are not the [24:20] descendants of the Jews of a long time [24:21] ago. But a lot of people popularly make [24:25] this claim like Tucker Carlson is making [24:27] and it works on people. The reason that [24:29] it works is that most people today in [24:33] the western world do not themselves [24:36] identify with any ancient people. [24:38] They've lost those connections. When I [24:40] speak to Christian groups, I illustrate [24:41] this point to them by often uh by doing [24:45] the the following experiment. I'll I'll [24:47] ask the group. I'll say, you know, is [24:48] anyone here of uh of Greek descent? And [24:51] sometimes a hand goes up or I'll say, is [24:53] anyone here of Italian descent? And then [24:55] I'll ask these people when you're [24:57] reading the history of ancient Rome or [24:59] the history of ancient Greece depending [25:00] on what the person person's origins, do [25:03] you feel like do you identify that [25:07] you're reading your own personal family [25:09] history? And they they almost always say [25:11] no. [25:13] No. They just don't think that way. [25:14] People nowadays in the Western world [25:16] don't think of themselves [25:18] a as part of a direct line from anyone [25:21] of the ancient world even though [25:22] technically they are. This is not true [25:24] for people, let's say, from China who [25:26] never went into exile and they've been [25:28] in their land since ancient times. They [25:29] do have this identification [25:31] historically. But Westerners, [25:32] especially, especially Americans, don't [25:35] really feel connected to anyone from the [25:36] ancient world. And therefore, it's easy [25:39] for people to believe this. When someone [25:41] says, "Oh, the Jews today, they're not [25:42] the same as the Jews of the Bible." It's [25:44] easy for someone who doesn't know the [25:46] history to just believe that that's true [25:48] because it sounds like it sounds true, [25:50] but they don't know that there's an [25:51] unbroken chain of the records of Jewish [25:53] communities going all the way back to [25:55] temple times. And it's kind of empirical [25:58] that we are the same corporate entity. [26:01] We're the same people. People join it [26:02] and people leave it, but it's the same [26:05] nation. It's the same entity. And [26:07] therefore, this whole question of DNA or [26:09] ethnicity is just not a relevant point. [26:11] the Jewish people as a people group has [26:14] always existed. And I said the second [26:16] aspect of this that's so interesting is [26:18] that no one ever made this claim before. [26:20] What do I mean? You could read the works [26:22] of Luther who lived in the 16th century, [26:26] right? And he's talking about the Jews [26:29] and talking about how they should, you [26:30] know, you know, they, you know, if they [26:32] ever go back to their land here, I'll [26:34] share with you a quote here. Here's [26:35] something that Luther wrote about the [26:37] Jews. Okay, this I I I quoted it in that [26:39] same article I just mentioned before [26:41] that I wrote here. Here's a quote from [26:43] Luther. [26:46] Let them go to the land and to [26:47] Jerusalem, build the temple, raise up [26:49] the priesthood, the principality of [26:51] Moses with his law, so that they again [26:53] become Jews and possess the land. If [26:55] that happened, they should soon see us [26:57] on their heels and also become Jews. Um, [27:00] and that's one of one of many quotes of [27:02] Luther about the Jews and the land of [27:04] Israel and and and it was a common [27:07] anti-semitic [27:08] uh attitude of oh that you know the Jews [27:11] belong in the land of Israel. They [27:12] should go back to the land of Israel. [27:14] That was what people said about the Jews [27:15] before we had a state of Israel. My [27:18] point being that even virulent Jew [27:21] haters like Martin Luther, who wrote an [27:23] entire book called On the Jews and Their [27:25] Lies, never claimed, even though he [27:28] didn't like the Jews, he never claimed [27:30] that the Jews of his day were not the [27:33] Jews of the Bible. No one ever made that [27:35] claim before. That's interesting. No one [27:38] was ever saying, "Oh, these Jews aren't [27:39] the real Jews." Why not? And that was [27:41] only a few hundred years ago. Why was no [27:43] one ever making that claim? [27:45] This claim is brand new. We're talking [27:49] within the last half century is when it [27:51] first started surfacing that people [27:53] would claim that modern Jews are not the [27:55] real Jews. It's really, really brand [27:57] new. It's kind of I believe it's a [27:59] direct response to the existence and [28:02] success of the state of Israel. Let me [28:04] explain. You see, if you believe in the [28:08] Bible, [28:10] or even if you don't believe in the [28:11] Bible, if you believe in just historical [28:14] rights, if the Jewish people [28:17] are the same as the Jewish people of the [28:20] Bible, we are the same. We are an [28:22] extension, we're the same nation, then [28:24] you're forced to face the fact that the [28:27] Jewish people has returned to the Jewish [28:30] homeland. you have no choice but to [28:32] accept that as a fact because you see [28:33] the Jewish people as the Jewish people. [28:37] So if you believe in the Bible [28:41] and it says that the Jewish people will [28:43] return to their land but Christianity [28:46] for a long time the dominant theology [28:48] was replacement theology that the Jews [28:50] have lost their covenant. That's what [28:51] Augustine said that the Jews have lost [28:53] their covenant and will never go back. [28:56] So if your belief is that the Jews are [28:58] not, you know, lost their covenant and [29:00] will never go back. So if you're Luther [29:02] living in the 15th in the 15th century, [29:04] 16th century, and you say, "Well, the [29:07] Jews are never going back." I have no [29:09] problem believing that the Jews are the [29:10] Jews, but they're just never but they [29:12] just lost their covenant. They still, [29:13] you know, they're still the Jewish [29:14] people. But once the Jews go back to [29:16] their land, [29:18] we're stuck because you either have to [29:21] acknowledge that the Jewish people have [29:23] returned after a long exile in [29:25] fulfillment of the biblical prophecies. [29:27] Or how do you get out of that if you [29:30] believe in the Bible? How do you get [29:32] around the fact that the Jewish people [29:33] have returned and therefore the promises [29:35] to the people of Israel are real and [29:37] still in force and replacement theology [29:40] was wrong? How do you get around that [29:42] problem? There's only way to get only [29:44] one way to get around it. You have to [29:45] deny that the Jewish people have [29:47] returned to their land. The only way to [29:49] deny that is to say that the Jews of [29:51] today aren't actual Jews. That's where [29:53] this is coming from. Okay? That's where [29:56] this is coming from. So there's a direct [29:58] connection between this claim that the [30:00] Jews are not really the Jews like that [30:01] state presbyter in Wyoming said and and [30:04] and the rejection of Zionism because [30:09] again the alternative if you're going to [30:11] profess to be a Christian who believes [30:12] in the Bible and you have to agree that [30:16] the nation of Israel still has a [30:19] biblical right still has a covenant with [30:21] God or because they've actually returned [30:23] from exile. You have to acknowledge that [30:25] Augustine's prediction theologically [30:28] that the Jews would never go back was [30:30] incorrect. So to get out of it, you have [30:32] to deny that the Jews are the Jews. So I [30:34] think that's part of the motivation [30:35] that's going on here. A lot more to say [30:37] on this topic, but this video has gone [30:39] on a bit too long already. I'm going to [30:41] leave it there. 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